Housing Association insists Christian cannot display Cross but Muslim can wear Burkha

Colin Atkinson, an electrician working for Wakefield and District Housing (WDH) has told by his employer that he is not permitted to display a small, plain cross on the dashboard of his WDH van. However WDH have made it clear that a Muslim woman employed by them would be allowed to wear a burkha because it would be discreet.

Colin Atkinson’s refusal to remove the palm cross from his vehicle has resulted in WDH taking disciplinary action against him for gross misconduct that may result in his dismissal. Colin Atkinson said:

‘The past few months have been unbelievable, a nightmare. I have worked in the coal mines and served in the Army in Northern Ireland and I have never suffered such stress. The treatment of Christians in this country is becoming diabolical. It is political correctness taken to the extreme. I have never been so full of resolve. I am determined to stand up for my rights. If they sack me, so be it. But I am standing up for my faith. ‘Christians are called to be public in our faith, and the cross is my way of being obedient to that call. It brings me peace and strength. It is a central part of who I am and I can’t hide it away.’

It appears that WDH applies different standards to displays of secular belief systems and Christian displays of belief.

Denis Doody, WDH’s environmental manager, as been allowed to adorn his office with a poster of the Argentinian revolutionary Che Guevara. WDH has also provided stalls at gay pride events, held ‘diversity days’ for travellers, and hosted a gender reassignment event entitled A World That Includes Transpeople.

However, WDH demands that Colin Atkinson remove his small palm cross because it may offend people or suggest the organisation is Christian. In the same way that the poster of Che Guevara suggests that WDH is communist or the gay pride stall or gender reassignment events suggests that they are homosexual and transgender.

A series of WDH managers have put pressure on Colin Atkinson to remove his cross until things came to ahead when WDH claimed to have received an anonymous letter of complaint about the cross:

‘Then a colleague who had overheard a conversation tipped me off that there had been an anonymous letter complaining about misuse of the van and mentioning the cross. It was a malicious letter full of scurrilous lies and the company never pursued the claims. But it used the letter to raise the issue of the cross. I felt I was being badgered, so I complained that I was being harassed because of my faith.’

The Daily Mail reports:

‘In a series of meetings last year, Mr Atkinson and his Unite union representative, Terry Cunliffe, argued that there was nothing in the rules explicitly prohibiting the cross, which had been accepted for years.
Transcripts of meetings show they strongly disputed the company’s claim that the cross could offend someone, or that anyone who saw it in the van – one of the company’s 280 vehicles – would conclude that the association was Christian.

Mr Cunliffe said at one meeting: ‘What if there were political or religious documents on the dashboard? Would it look like they were WDH’s? A cross on the side of a building would reflect on WDH. A cross displayed in the front of a vehicle would be, in my opinion, a reflection of the person driving.’

But the company’s equality and diversity manager, Jayne O’Connell, who was recruited from HBoS bank in 2009, replied: ‘WDH has a stance of neutrality. We now have different faiths, new emerging cultures. We have to be respectful of all views and beliefs.’

Pressed by Mr Cunliffe on whether a Muslim woman who wore a burka at work would be considered discreet, she said: ‘If they could do their job effectively, then yes.’

Asked whether she would think a burka in WDH corporate colours was discreet, Ms O’Connell replied: ‘Yes, it would be.’

In December, the company, which had earlier admitted that its policy on vehicles was unclear, issued an ‘updated’ policy saying that all personal symbols should be removed from vans.

Mr Atkinson said: ‘I can’t come to any other conclusion than that they moved the goalposts so they could single me out. I felt I was on trial for my faith.’

Mr Cunliffe, the Unite union representative, said his union abhorred any form of discrimination, but the association was ‘taking its politically correct policies far too far. The company is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It is totally disproportionate that someone should face dismissal for displaying a discreet religious symbol. It will rebound on the company because the treatment of Colin will deeply upset people of other faiths who have no problem with his cross.’

Protect the Pope comment: As the Unite union representative puts it Wakefield and District Housing’s treatment of Colin Atkinson is an abhorrent case of discrimination. WDH allows public displays of other beliefs but has decided to single out the Christian cross as unacceptable and likely to cause offense. WDH’s persecution of Colin Atkinson is inhuman and cruel, and is causing him and his wife upset and stress. Surely changing company rules about displays in WDH’s vehicles in order to bring a disciplinary case against him is illegal?

This harassment of Christians by PC commissars has gone on long enough. It is time for the government to pass legislation that protects the rights of Christians to publicly display their faith, without fear of disciplinary action or even dismissal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377684/Electrician-Colin-Atkinson-faces-sack-Christian-cross-van-dashboard.html

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  • louella

    Why is displaying the Holy Cross disrespectful to other cultures….especially in a Christian country!! What an inference. Anybody living in Britain knows they will be confronted with the Cross regularly. It is part of the culture and the nation’s great religious tradition. This ‘diversity manager’ (LOL….what a waste of money that position is) should never presume to speak on behalf of other cultures. How dare she!

    Please remember to wear your Crosses and Crucifixes. I just saw a picture of Sarah Palin and she was wearing an equisitely beautiful Cross as she made a speech.

    • A. Nicot

      Personal distaste for Mrs. Palin aside, I agree that we should not shy away from wearing the cross.
      Although I only have a rosary, and have always been unsure if I’m even supposed to wear that – so I keep it in my pocket.
      The cross is indeed present in the United Kingdom, it’s even on their flag three times.
      Such silliness is unthinkable most anywhere else.

      • louella

        Just in case you are interested…you can also wear the Rosary wrapped around your wrist. And also a word on behalf of Mrs Palin…she spoke about creating a nation where Downs syndrome children are welcomed. Sounded good to me.

  • Michael Petek

    Methinks the display of a portrait of Che Guevara might be an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act, or even an offence of glorifying terrorism.

  • Pedro

    Oh, here we go again, poor persecuted Christians. How you have to suffer. It’s getting worse than North Korea isn’t it?

    It isn’t his van, it’s his employers. They get to say what gets displayed in their van – not him.

    And I see you even managed to get a crack in about gays and communists – getting quite good at this, aren’t we? I won’t bother to reply with the Catholic Church’s long accommodation of fascist regimes.

    “It is time for the government to pass legislation that protects the rights of Christians to publicly display their faith, without fear of disciplinary action or even dismissal.”

    If your faith’s got nothing to do with the service you provide then you’ve got no business bringing it to work. You’ve got no more right to flaunt it than you have your football colours. When will you lot get it into your heads, the vast majority of us aren’t interested in your silly faith.

    Go back into your churches and stay there.

    • Deacon Nick

      Pedro, you are being disingenuous when you write ‘the vast majority of us aren’t interested in your silly faith’. Its obvious that you’re obsessed with our faith. Thank you for proving the point about the intolerance and control freakery of secularists, ‘Go back into your churches and stay there’. It appears you want to force us out of public life and into a Christian ghetto.

      • sam

        Deacon what a ludicrous suggestion, People like me and pedro don’t feel you need to tell the world you are christian, do i go around with a gay pride flag all the time? no, because that is a private part of my life which doesn’t need other people to know about. If you are so sure of your faith, you don’t need to tell us all the time, you get on with your lives and we will get on with ours. Pedro was making a valid point when he said go back into your churches and stay there, he was pointing out that again that your faith is something that is private and the vast majority of the country simply couldn’t care. There are only 3.2 million church goers in this country now, that is across every christian faith not just Catholicism, and your own numbers are only held up with eastern European immigration, even Anne Widdecombe a catholic acknowledged this.

        • Deacon Nick

          Frankly I don’t care what you and Pedro feel or think about my behaviour as a Christian. I don’t need your permission to express my faith in public, it’s one of my basic human rights. Also, the practice of religion is not equivalent to sexual behaviour. Religion is a public act, sexual behaviour is normally and decently a private act. There is something degrading and inhuman about the public display of sexual behaviour. You and Pedro keep insisting that the majority of people in this country don’t care about Christianity, but both of you seem to care very much.

          • sam

            Actually sexuality could be conceived by some as a public act, sexuality is different from sex, you always go on how gay people have an agenda, so why don’t i take my pride flag around everywhere or tattoo i am gay on my forehead, because people don’t need to know, it isn’t important. People don’t like i say only 3.2 million go to church once a week in this country, that is across all sectors of Christianity,only 3.2 million, projected to be 2.5 million by 2020.

        • Karla

          Religion is still a big deal in this country Sam, and I think you and others here like Pedro and Tim know it, otherwise you wouldn’t even be on this website. Look what a huge deal the Papal vist was, everybody had something to say about the Papal visit, whether it was positive or negative, this shows you that Religion is not irrelevent in this country. Religious stories still make headlines and people are always interested in what the Church has to stay on ethical matters etc.

          • sam

            the statistics show you are a dying breed Karla sorry. Also most of the headlines are negative and often include horror and outrage, this means many people are disgusted by what is said, just like the bnp and edl make headlines, they do so for their outlandishness but they are still marginal institutions just like the church.

          • Karla

            You are wrong. Your doomsday outlook on the Church does not take in to consideration what the Church has already survived through.

            The Church that Jesus established has survived 2000 years, it has survived communism, Nazism, and the sexual revoloution, and it is not going away.

    • Karla

      Do you realise what a hypocrite you are Pedro, you are a regular commenter on Protect the Pope and you are telling us to go back to our Churches.

      I am sure this Housing Association would have no problem if it was a football sticker or something else, but because it is a Cross, there is a problem. Religious discrimination.

    • CD

      Pedro,

      try richarddawkins.net or greasydiego.com

  • Tim

    ” It is time for the government to pass legislation that protects the rights of Christians to publicly display their faith, without fear of disciplinary action or even dismissal”

    I think that that is the lastthing we need, because you could be sure that any such legislation would be siezed upon by the Muslims and used to advance their adgenda even further.

    What needs to happen is that managers need to acquire the common sense to tell the difference between discete personalisation of the work environment with things like a palm cross, football sticker or Che poster (which are fine) and overt political statements, (which are not) and things that interfer in the delievery of the service or safety )ie, a cross that obsured the drivers view or a Burka that made interaction with clients difficult) They also need to grow balls to stand up to muslim demands. But given into Christian demands for special rights will only make it harder to resist muslim demands for those same rights.

    A company does of course have a perfect right to demand all personal symbols are removed from a van or uniform, but that must be consistantly applied. The idea that various muslim headdresses are any more “essential” than are the right to display a cross (or a Man United shirt or a union badge for that matter) is crazy.

    • Deacon Nick

      Tim, this is a Christian country with the Church of England the established Church of the country. The Catholic Church has existed in this country for over 1,500 years. The Christian identity of England, Wales and Scotland needs to be protected from a minority of PC secularist fundamentalists who hate Christianity and the Christian heritage of these lands. At present secularists, homosexualists and Muslims appear to have more protection than Christians.

      • sam

        Deacon this is no longer a christian country, only 3,2 million bother to go to church once a week and that is across all churches, the country has changed. Also Louella, if you do even a little research into Palin you will realise she is nothing but an opportunist, imbecile who is bigoted and the biggest moron in civilization. Also what a homosexualists Nick?

        • Deacon Nick

          Homosexualists are those people who have made homosexuality a political ideology, seeking to lobby the government and legislature in order to force their ideology on the rest of the population. Also, watch your language about Sarah Palin. I don’t allow personal insults on this site.

          • Tim

            Nick, the recognition of equality for gay people and the acceptance of them as equal members of society is not somwthing that is being “forced onto” most of the population. A majority (and growing number) of UK citizens are happy with gay rights and this includes a large number of people who say that they are Christians as well(see for example the British Social Attitude surveys). This is something that makes me tremendously proud of my country. It is entirly right and proper that government policy and our laws in such matters follow the will of the people.

            It is much more the case of a minority within a few minority religions wanting to force their anti-gay ideology onto the rest of the population.

          • Deacon Nick

            Who is this minority within a minority who want to force their anti-gay ideology onto the rest of the population? As far as orthodox Christians are concerned they just want to be allowed to follow their conscientious beliefs in their own lives. When the Catholics campaigned to keep their adoption agencies, they didn’t campaign to force all adoption agencies in the land not to place children with homosexuals. We respected the conscientious convictions of others to do as they saw best, but we were not allowed to follow our consciences. We were forced to either comply or else stop our work with children. Christian B & B owners are not campaigning to stop homosexuals sharing a room in all B & B’s just to be allowed to follow their own consciences in their own homes. So who exactly is forcing who here?

          • Tim

            “Who is this minority within a minority ”

            Well catholics are a minority of the population. and catholics who follow the official teaching on homosexuality (and much else) are a minority of UK catholics

          • Deacon Nick

            Yeh, but we’re not trying to force, as you put it, our anti-gay ideology on the majority are we? That was your whole point wasn’t it?

          • sam

            Deacon anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that Sarah Palin isn’t the right person to lead America, indeed it is a scary thought if she is elected which she won’t be.

          • Tim

            “Yeh, but we’re not trying to force, as you put it, our anti-gay ideology on the majority are we? That was your whole point wasn’t it?”

            Yes it was. I think that you are trying to force that ideology on people when how send them home from your B&B or your adoption agency. If you were not trying to force your ideology on them you would keep quite, accept all comers and let God judge them when their time came. The point with both of those things is that Hotels, Guesthouses and Adoption agencies are not purely private things, but are at least partially public places. Noone is forcing Christians to offer those services, but we are simply saying that if you are going to offer them you must comply with the same rules on equality as everyone else is expected to. It is simply a question of qualification for a job. If you want to be a life-guard you have to be able to swim (and wear a swinsuit). If you want to be a B&B provider you have to be able to be respectful of the privacy of those who come though you door and butt-out of trying to judge them on their sleeping arrangements or sex lives.

          • Deacon Nick

            In other words we must do as you tell us or else. We must conform with your moral beliefs. You’re not so liberal after all are you? More of a totalitarian. Everyone must do as the State says or else you can’t making a living. Going to licence us next just so you know who the Christians are?

        • Karla

          If you watched the Anne Widdecombe program you will know that there are three ways in which the Church is growing in the UK, through immigration, Black Pentecostalism and the Alpha course which 2.5 million have attended, which targets unchurched people to learn more about Christianity.

          • sam

            yes but the alpha course doesn’t mean people are christian, indeed it is asking the questions of life, and they don;t go to services. The figures still state it is 3.7 million down to 2.5 million in 2020 who go to church.

          • Karla

            There was a program on Channel 4 a couple of years ago called ‘Revelations: How to find God.’ A significant percentage of people who do the Alpha course do join a Church.

            Why else do you think 4,600 people attend Sunday service at Holy Brompton Trinity Church.

          • Karla

            I doubt that 2.5 million statistic will come true because immigration will not stop.

          • sam

            Deacon i find your attitude disturbing in this issue and one that actually needs some morality lessons. The fact is, if you decide to open a public institute or adoption agency, then you have to abide by equality law, would you allow a racist organisation to open up an adoption agency but not allow black people adopt? no, if you are so confident in your god, then love thy neighbor as you would myself and keep your nose out of peoples sex lives when they want to make a good dad or mum.

        • Karla

          Your dislike for Palin would not have anything to do with the fact that she is against same sex and abortion?

          • sam

            partly and why not, you don’t like people who are anti theist do you? also she thinks russia and america are joined geographically speaking. She is getting more unpopular though, she is very right wing and a bit of nothingness.

          • sam

            Karla i think they factored that in, also with Cameron’s government cracking down on non e.u immigration Pentecostalism will slow down. Also European immigration is noticeably slowing down and people are going back.These statistics even if they are incorrect and you still have 3 million people going to church, shows that this is a minority activity now and a very small proportion of the u.k population, 2,500 people stop going to church each week.

          • Deacon Nick

            Sam, you’re obsessed with numbers. If just one baptised Catholic existed in the world the one, true Church of Jesus Christ would continue to exist. The Church took over the world with just twelve apostles.

          • Karla

            Immigration from in the EU, Poland and Eastern Europe, that will not stop. Most are Catholic. Cameron will not be able to stop it because Eastern Europe it part of the EU.

          • sam

            Karla it is a known fact that e.u immigration is mostly based upon economic success, as our economy is slowing down and gradually retracting so will migration from the e.u., also there is growing pressure for a counter treaty to that of the treaty of Rome in 1956 i believe which grantees that you can live anywhere in the e.u. if you are from the e.u.

          • Karla

            The Church is more concerned that people follow the faith rather than numbers.

            But regarding Eastern Europeans, if they have children here, I doubt they would return home, or that there children want to return to Eatern Europe because they would see the UK as their home most likely.

        • Karla

          * same sex marriage

          • sam

            Deacon the reason i like numbers is because it shows Christianity is shrinking, also technically you didn’t take over the world with 12 apostles, it took a long time for Christianity to take over and with the help of 2 emperors.

          • Karla

            Christianity is stable/growing in the UK.

          • sam

            Karla statistics show you are wrong, Christianity has been on a downward spiral since the 70′s. The numbers are down, 3.7 million now to 2.5 million in 2020, that is a reduction not a growth.

      • Tim

        Sorry Nick, I don’t buy your reasoning. You seem to be saying that Christianity deserves special protection because it is the dominant religion, because it has official status and because it is ingrained into our lives and culture. It that were true it wouldn’t need special protection would it? It would be like arguing that the English lanuage needs special protection.

        Either Christianity is a strong majority pursuit in this country in which case special protection isn’t needed or it is an unusual minority activity in which case it doesn’t deserve special protection any more than morris dancing or golfing.

        • Deacon Nick

          Christianity needs special protection because a powerful minority of secular activists have positioned themselves in government, the media, the law and education who nurture an uncompromising antipathy to the Christian history, heritage and morality of this country. They are the generation of hedonists and ‘revolutionaries’ who rejected the ‘established’ values of this country in the 1960′s, and went on to engineer the failed multi-cultural experiment of the past 30 years, which in practice entailed the marginalization of British history, and British culture, a culture that is fundamentally Christian. It was right to reject the jingoism of the past, but a disaster to foster the notion that being British was just one culture among many cultures in this country. How many British children were made to feel shame about the British Empire, and by association, to feel shame about being British? I know I was by typical ‘liberal’ English and RE teachers.

          • Tim

            Do you really think we can still blame the hippies of the 1960s? Surely most of them have now retired on their final salary pensions.

            I’d dispute the idea that there is a large number of secular activists in power to blame. I don’t know any secularists who would be bending over backwards to accomodate Muslim demands like our rulers do. How many secularist politicians would be promoting policies to hand over schools to religious groups or spending tax-payer money on papal visits? I don’t think that the guilty parties are secularists because their policies are certainly not secularism. They are much more likely to be the “God is love”, “Islam is a religion of peace”, “I’m all for freedom of speech, but…” brigade. Basically, people like Tony Blair who seemingly doesn’t even understand secularism but thinks that religion is teribly important even though he doesn’t follow the teachings of any one religion to any real extent himself (because he is much too important to need to).

            How many secularists do you actually think would choose to be RE teachers? No the liberal RE teachers (like the liberal bishops) are not secularists or atheists. They are people who are at least nominally Christian, but have strayed from the Church’s teaching. I’d be more inclined to put the blame for that with the Church than with “secularism”.

  • Andrzej

    I am always offended when I visit the UK. That bigoted, fundamentalist flag of yours with TWO crosses on it.

    I fully support the gay community who want to replace it with a yellow smiley face on a rainbow background. How much more tolerant and inclusive!

    • Tim

      Actually, it is three crosses – St George, Patrick and Andrew. The only people I have ever seen offended by the Union Flag in the UK are of course the catholics in N.I. Stop pretending that athiests and secularists and gays have a problem with the flag – we simply don’t.

      • Andrzej

        Of course, I was being sarcastic. But why not be offended? I mean, how can you have a “secular” society with such “symbolic violence” being omnipresent?

        Now, had the driver displayed a Union Jack, which effectively is THREE Crosses (thanks for the clarification), then why can’t he display one? After all, the Crosses on the Union Jack, are not just meaningless lines, they are actual Crosses with full religious symbolism. So is THREE Crosses are legal (your flag), why not one?

  • louella

    Personally I think Christianity should be the default mode of this nation…..and by God’s Grace will be again. That is not to say that minority religions will suffer. But just that Christians should work towards restoring a true Christian nation. I think this will become the defining issue of the 21st century.

    And if Christianity isn’t strengtened…then Islam will dominate as it is very strong and growing.

    • Karla

      Fundamentalist Islam is a problem, but moderate Islam is not, in fact Catholics probably share same beliefs on some social issues with Muslims such as abortion and same sex marriage.

      • louella

        Fundamental Islam can only exist because of the moderate majority. And Muslims wish to convert the UK to a Muslim state….naturally. Just as I wish to convert it to a Catholic State. Just because we share some similar beliefs…does not mean we are on the same side.

      • Tim

        It is only possible to be a moderate Muslim if you don’t care very much about being especially Islamic. Just as it is only possible to be a liberal Catholic if you don’t care very much about being especially Catholic.

        I just have this feeling that if we were in a parallel universe and this was a Muslim board set up by Imman Nick you would be saying “there is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim, you either sign up to all of Islam or you are not really a Muslim”. You have said the same thing about Catholicism.

        It ammuses me that you have bought into the whole liberal multicultural idea that Islam is not a problem (you are not Tony Blair are you? ;-) ). Surely it is a problem at least to the extent that it is competing for converts with Catholicism among the same pool of people who are looking for a socially-conservative set of religious beliefs.

    • Tim

      “And if Christianity isn’t strengtened…then Islam will dominate as it is very strong and growing.”

      Louella, You might be interested in this http://www3.surrey.ac.uk/Arts/CRONEM/Conference-2010/Presentations/Sobolewska.pdf I share your concerns about the rise of Islam in Europe, but there is at least some evidence that even in Muslims there is inter-generational decline in religiousity. Whether this will outweigh the effects of birthrate and immigration is anyones guess, but it is of course profoundly racist to think that Muslims are somehow more resistant in the long-term to the forces of religious decline amd secularism than other people.

      • louella

        Tim…..my aim is a Catholic State…because I believe this is the very best type of society….and the most civilised. So what Muslims do or don’t do is to an extent immaterial. Having said that….I would not rely on the dissappearance of the Islamic evangelising impulse in the near future. That is wishful thinking.

        And there is nothing racist about what I said. Members of my own race can be Muslim too you know.

  • Karla

    There are many stories similar, nurse can not wear cross, BA employee can not wear cross etc. and now another story that is similar, I definetly agree that there needs to be legislation drawn up that protects Christians to publicly display their faith.

  • sam

    Deacon that is because we wouldn’t allow a racist policy within admission of a public establishment or an adoption agency so why is discrimination among people who are gay any more acceptable. Also the fact that you contradict your own doctrine, the pope says that while being gay is a disorder he is sympathetic and doesn’t encourage discrimination, well refusing admission to a b and b on the basis of being gay and not allowing gay couples to adopt through your agencies is discrimination. You are destroying your own doctrine.

    • Deacon Nick

      Actually Sam, Pope Benedict and the Catholic Church state that homosexual persons must not suffer from unjust discrimination. All societies enforce principles of discrimination, discriminating what behaviours are lawful or unlawful. The Church holds that such laws should be based in natural law. The question is what is just discrimination and what is unjust discrimination.

      • sam

        i am sorry but that would classify as unjust discrimination, certainly the b and b case, so now we can’t enter a b and b. Also if based on natural law you would ahve recognised homosexuality is natural.

        • Teresa

          entering a B&B is fine – it was the sleeping arrangement that was the problem. They didnt have separate rooms to house them in as far as I can recall

          • sam

            well then they should have gave them a single, maybe they were celibate? maybe they weren’t going to have sex, how does the owner of the b and b know that they won’t? fact is in a public establishment you can’t discriminate, i would have sued for the hell of it tbh.

          • Teresa

            They didnt have an alternative to offer!!

      • Tim

        How is refusing a bed in a B&B possibly justified. Even if you think that gay sex is a sin, refusing a bed would only be justified if it stopped that sin. It doesn’t. Not a single gay person has been denied accomodation and as a direct result of that decided to become straight or celibate (although some have tragically killed themselves in the face of such discrimination and being made to feel worthless).

        Refusing a bed doesn’t actually achieve anything other than making the B&B owners feel pious. As such the demand to be able to refuse a bed is a purely selfish demand – “let me discriminate because I will fell super-holy about myself by kicking those “homosexualists” out”.

        It isn’t about your right to belief a particular behavious to be a sin or not. You are free to do that. It is about your right to be able to enforce “god’s law” on other people.

  • I am sometime when I visit the UK. That bigoted, fundamentalist flag of yours with TWO crosses on it.I support the gay community who want to replace it with a yellow smiley face on a rainbow background. How much more tolerant and inclusive!

  • Lisa

    The B&B owners did not refuse a bed. They offered two separate beds but the guests declined and sued. The B&B owners would have done the same with an unmarried heterosexual couple. So it is more about forcing a particular non Christian view of life, rather than live and let live. If the homosexual couple decided indeed to live and let live, they would have gone peacefully to another B&B.

  • CD

    New atheism was started up by socialists and liberals who are scared of Islam
    Good to see Italy got plenty of support regarding Crucifix ban

  • sam

    Karla sorry but it is true, less and less people are going to church 2.5 million in 2020, i am not saying the church will die yet but it is not what it once was. It has survived Nazism ( even though the Nazis didn’t try to destroy the church in it’s entity), Karla as it is a b and b they have to respect the law no matter what, they were found guilty by a jury and given a fair hearing.

    • Andrzej

      “they have to respect the law no matter what” – we’ve heard that before. Did you mention something about the Nazis?

      • sam

        with all due respect the laws set out by the government of the united kingdom aren’t like the laws of the Nazi state, indeed they are completely the opposite, we have inclusiveness in our society and this is reflected upon our law, so to use my quote saying you should respect the law and then address the Nazi question is completely out of touch. You can’t discriminate when you are a public establishment because someone will sue.

    • Karla

      What matters is the devotion of belief, if 60 million go to Church, but nobody takes the faith seriously, then its kind of pointless, what matters is intensity of belief, if a smaller number go to Church, but they practice the faith then that is great.

      • sam

        well then you can’t claim that this is a christian nation because the figures show that simply isn’t true.

        • Karla

          Christian traditions, Christian values, that is what the UK is built on.

          • sam

            i am sorry but a christian value wouldn’t be a secular state which is what we have, it is true to say this country was christian however your christian values of no abortion, no legalization of homosexuality have melted away, and not just in the past decade but for 40-50 years. Your numbers are on a downward spiral but will start to bottom out at around 2.5 million in 2020, that will make us not a christian country at all.

        • louella

          The UK is a Christian nation historically…..and today the majority claim to be Christian..even if only nominally. However in reality it is a secular democracy….and like all secular democracies the world over…is in decline and meltdown. It won’t make it into the 22nd century in its present form. In other words….it’s dying. Christianity however lives on.

          • sam

            what rubbish, how is secularism in the country in meltdown? we still have elections and democracy. Christianity is dying in numbers, a large majority is well behind secularism.

  • Karla

    Hindu, Muslim and Sikh leaders last night offered support to electrician Colin Atkinson who faces the sack for making a stand over his Christian beliefs.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378704/Muslims-backing-Christian-electrician-persecuted-cross-van.html#ixzz1K3eaBoaV

    • sam

      sorry but he should go, there isn’t a problem with him wearing his cross on himself but it is the fact that he kept putting it in his van which isn’t his after all, and he went to the media, he should be sacked. He sounds like a trouble maker and should be weeded out.

      • Teresa

        “‘sounds like’ a trouble maker”

        - well in that case he most certainly must go if he “sounds like” a trouble maker!
        Perhaps whole legal system should try people on what things “sound like” too. We would be rid of lots of trouble makers in society then, wouldn’t we!!

        You are concluding more than you have evidence for. There are no indications that he displayed his cross to make trouble, or refused to remove it for the same reason. He had the item in his van in previous years with nothing said by his employers. And nothing in the rules prevented it. Then they changed the rules.

        I have a palm cross which I display, and I do so out of love of Christ and what he did for mankind. People display all sorts of things that they love or admire (eg. celebrities, football symbols, etc.) Are they ALL trouble makers? It “sounds” to me (from my front room, reading just the news articles) that he refused because he felt treated in an unjust manner.

      • Teresa

        Sorry missed a bit of your statement. Presumably he “sounds like” a trouble maker because he went to the media. Again, you are making assumptions. If you felt a great injustice done to you, and unable to do anything about it, I wonder what you would do. Cant see that it constitutes trouble making.

        I for one am glad he went to the media. Unless people speak out publicly, injustices such as this will remain hidden.

      • Teresa

        One point just occurred to me which seems to have been missed. Denis Doody displayed his image of Che Guevara in an office room which was his own personal work space away from the public (although it could be seen by the public, according to the Daily Mail article 24/4/11). In the job that Mr Atkinson performed, he presumably had no such personal work space – just the van.

  • John Boy

    I was just surfing the net and landed here. You’re doing a great job Deacon Nick, Christophobia rules most things in the modern world, and i do believe we are living in the time of the great apostasy. And it is time to stand up for what we believe in. God knows i have not been doing that in the past.

    I worked for an American Kids TV channel in Asia and was told 2 years ago that “Christmas” could no longer be mentioned or celebrated on the channel. When i asked why, i was told “we don’t do religion” and all this while we were celebrating every other religious festivals like Dewali / Eid / Vesak, and half of our viewers were Christian.

    That’s when this lapsed catholic had an epiphany woke up to the not so secret global agenda and started to evaluate what it was that i believed in and started going to Mass.

    I went ahead and celebrated Christmas to the horror of my Creative Director, who because of the tight deadlines and budget could not do anything. Long story short, ratings soared which made management very happy. But i quit the job as i don’t want to be part of a company with an Anti Christian agenda.

    The fact that so many anti Catholics are on this site commenting baffles me.

    Are you guys obsessed? Or do you secretly enjoy Catholic company? or are you really occultists in Atheist clothing?

  • Pedro

    Hello.
    I’m from Brazil and I readed this article and I think this is crazy .
    Nobody should be judge show a crucifix , for example .
    I liked a lot the attitudes of the muslim to support that man .
    For example, in Brazil , is extremely common to see crucifix in the car, truck ,and everywhere.
    And when I have my car I will have one too.

  • Robin Leslie

    This business of wearing the externals of faith is likely to continue if only because the anti-religionists feel insecure about their ideological tenure in a, supposedly, secular State. Incidentally Britain is not a democracy for there is only one ideology claiming political representation and all three mainstream Parties share this same ideology (viz. market capitalism)which is characterised by deregulation of markets, services and science and technology. Under deregulation organized Science has become ideological in that far from serving solely human interests it serves particular powerful constituencies and
    overrides entirely the constraints of moral necessity.
    In this One Party State, a situation which Vaclav Havel calls ‘living in the Lie’ (Power of the Powerless)all boundaries are threatened in the interests of power, which means the dictatorship of money and capital. If organized religions don’t serve the interests of an exclusive (closed) humanism and their god is not a human idol serving the system then these religions will be softened up with the aim of rendering them functional to
    neo-liberalism and the secular society which, in this purified identity drive, is the eschatological arrival of human history.
    So resist or die I guess.

  • Teresa

    Deacon, have you seen the following? Colin Atkinson can keep his cross, and Denis Doody has removed his poster of Che Guevara

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380029/Your-cross-stay-Che-Guevara-poster-How-MoS-helped-electrician-win-battle-display-crucifix-repair-van.html

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