Quest gay Catholic group mocks archbishops’ defence of marriage

Mark Dowd, the Director of Quest, the dissenting group for Lesbian and Gay Catholics, mocked Archbishops Nichols and Smith’s recent pastoral letter defending marriage on the BBC:

‘Mark Dowd, from the group Quest, which represents lesbian and gay Catholics, said the archbishops were out of touch as other countries had begun to make changes.

“Probably the Archbishop resembles King Canute standing on the shores with the waves coming in. It’s really a question of the tide of history turning and there’s very little that can be done about it.”

Even though Quest has been removed as a Catholic organisation from the Catholic Directory in the 1990′s the Soho Masses Pastoral Council expressed their support for Quest at their Gay Pride Mass in 2011:

’2nd male (dressed as a female): For lesbian,gay,bisexual and transgendered organisations,here and throughout the world,and especially those which gather and support people of faith,that they may reflect the rainbow covenant of justice and integrity which God establishes amongst us.  Remember,especially here in the UK,the Soho Masses Pastoral Council, the Roman Catholic Caucus ,the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement,Quest, Called to be One network for Catholic parents.’

In 2011  Quest were allowed to celebrate Mass at the church where the Soho Masses are held, Our Lady of the Assumption & St Gregory’s, which is a parish of the Archdiocese of Westminster.

Protect the Pope comment: This is a historic moment for the Catholic Church in the UK , when Catholics are seeking to defend  marriage from being rendered nonsensical by being applied to men-men and women-women unions. But within the Church we have Catholics actively working against our defence of the Church’s teaching, who publicly mock the authority of the Pope and archbishops, people like Mark Dowd and members of Quest.

And there is not not one word of correction, not one call to ‘hold their tongues’, not one call for them to examine their consciences because of the incompatibility between their actions and words and the Catholic faith. Not one word!

What do they have to do to get a response, any response, to their defiance?

Last year the Archdiocese of Westminster allowed Quest to hold a conference at its All Saints’ Pastoral Centre.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17329902

http://areluctantsinner.blogspot.com/2011/10/quest-is-to-offer-mass-at-soho-masses.html

 

11 comments to Quest gay Catholic group mocks archbishops’ defence of marriage

  • Karla

    Like Tony Blair, these people need to evaluate whether they are really Catholic or not – to be Catholic means you accept the teachings of the Church on moral matters like marriage, if they don’t accept it – why continue to call yourself Catholic?

  • Yes, a strange contrast between the Archbishop’s response to those who suggest the Soho Masses are a cause of scandal (which they manifestly are) and his lack of response to this kind of pronouncement.

    However, the pastoral letter was heartening.

    What we need now is some follow-through – ideally including the realignment of the Soho Masses with a Catholic intention (or their abolition).

  • Spesalvi23

    The tide of history!?! Also referred to as Zeitgeist and current ideology.
    Nothing changes faster and in more unpredictable ways.
    I wouldn’t build my house on it. There is nothing solid about it.

  • Peter of Crawley

    If His Grace plays with fire…

  • Richard

    I believe that Mark Dowd is also a member of the Soho Masses Pastoral Council – elected last year.

  • asrajit

    Whenever we calmly examine this whole sordid saga, We cannot help but note that the ex-priest Martin Prendergast is an influential figure driving the agenda. And some bishops fall silent before him.

  • Gurn

    Excommunication for that particular group is necessary

  • Aline

    Perhaps the saddest thing here is that these gay Catholics have completely lost sight of their eternal destiny. Even if the Church went mad and turned her back on the teaching given to her by the apostles – which she has kept faithfully for 2000 years thanks to the Popes – their sinful behaviour still would not get them into heaven. Christ Himself made it clear that: “the legacy for cowards, for those who break their word, or worship obscenities, for murderers and the sexual immoral, and for sorcerers, worshippers of false gods and any other sort of liars, is the second death in the burning lake of sulfur.” (Rv 21:8)
    May be the great Apostasy today is an unbelief in eternal life which is even found among Catholics. Otherwise, I find it hard to believe that anyone would happily carry on living in a state of motal sin, knowing where that leads them.
    In terms of immorality, we’ve gone back 2000 years. All these efforts of the Apostles and the early Christians to raise moral standards to Christian levels seem to have come to nothing in just a few decades, thank to a betrayal of some members of the Church. It feels me with great saddness when I think of all this blood of the martyrs being shed for nothing. And what about the cost in terms of souls?

  • ” Love the lord, you God , with all your heart” We need to do this in givng Him worship of prayer , thought and action in our daily lives.
    ” Love your neighbour as yourself ” We need to do this in our prayers for and with them, our thoughts about them and our actions towards them.
    This is a hard road to follow. It’s what the Church has always been doing and is continuing to do .
    The gates of hell ( however dressed up in political correctness ) will not prevail against it.
    We, the members of the Mystical Body , must do our best to uphold His instruction to us by our total belief, obedience and participation in Church life.
    The first, most vital, step is prayer. His and our blessed mother will take our difficulties to Him for help. He will give it , as He did at Cana, if we do as the stewards did at her bidding :” Do what he tells you “

  • I have lived in a loving monogomous sexual relationship with a former male Religious for nearly 40years.
    I knew of the Soho Masses and have not felt the need to go, and still do not understand the need?
    I have always understood we are to try and fit in with our local parish, of course in as much as one can.
    I do understand Church teaching on sexuality, I may however fall short of it, and actually cannot see anything wrong in
    consumating that love physically.My point of view.
    However the Church only allows for sex within heterosexual marriage.
    Whether we agree or not, that is our teaching.
    I do not want to be outside of the Catholic Church,there are many spiritual benefits by being a member of her.
    I attend Holy Mass every Sunday, and sometimes in the week, and I always attempt to daily make a visit to the Blessed Sacrament.
    I rarely go to Holy Communion, and when I do, I go to Confession beforehand, I believe this is the honest approach.
    However my best friend of nearly 50 years, shocked me and said, he and others he knows,rarely go to Confession, but regularly receive Our Lord in Holy Communion.
    Am I alone in this approach?
    Of course I know about making a good act of contrition before hand, but I am not facing a firing squad with no access to a priest for Confession
    Peace and love.

    • Deacon Nick Donnelly

      David, thank you for your frank and honest comment. Sadly the drastic decline in Catholics receiving the sacrament of penance must mean that many are receiving Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin. This is something about which we must all be vigiliant, because as St Paul expresses it, when we recieve Holy Communion improperly we are eating our own condemnation (1 Cor 11:29). As the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains:
      ‘Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him… Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us – that is, charity – necessitates a new initiative of God’s mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation’ (CCC 1855-1856).

      On the other matter that you raise, it sounds like you are, to an extent, aware that being a Catholic involves obedience to the discipline of the Church, exemplified by your awareness of the need to go to confession before receiving Holy Communion. This word ‘discipline’ is another way of saying living according to the way of life handed down to us by the apostles. It is important to also live by an obedience to God’s truth about our human nature revealed in Scripture and safeguarded by the doctrine of the Church, in this case the moral doctrines rooted in our created nature in the image and likeness of God as male and female. This means that we cannot be a Catholic according to ‘my point of view’, we have to live by God’s point of view.

      Often living according to God’s point of view involves sacrifice, even great sacrifice on our part because all our natures are distorted by sinful inclinations of various sorts. The path of sacrifice is the path of Christ. We often hear the phrase, carrying one’s Cross. Crosses ‘hurt’, sometimes terribly, but we are given the grace to carry our crosses, to join our suffering to those of Christ’s for the redemption of the world. I know what this means from personal experience. I’m not underestimating that it may be a hard cross for your to carry, to live a chaste life with your friend. But to be in full communion with the Church that you obviously love this is what is necessary.

      As the Catechism expresses it: ‘These [homosexual] persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.’ (CCC 2358-2359).

      Have you come across the work of (En) Couarge, a group offering pastoral support and fellowship to Catholics seeking to obedient to the Church’s moral teachings?

      I will keep you and your friend in my prayers. Deacon Nick

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