BBC reports that gay Catholics want to receive the sacrament of marriage

In a post on the BBC website supporting government plans for gay marriage Marie Jackson reports that gay Catholics want to receive the sacrament of marriage from the Catholic Church:

Matias Wibowo is four months away from his civil partnership to partner, John Falcone.

As devout Catholics, they are hoping to follow their summer ceremony at Islington Town Hall in north London with a trip to New York next year to receive the sacrament of marriage from a priest involved with the local gay Catholic community.

“It will mean getting the gift from God and our community but, for me, it is also about practising social justice.”

He believes the Catholic view of marriage – defined as a union between man and woman – is misleading as that has not always been the case.

However, he says the components of traditional marriage – love, family and raising children – are “exactly the reasons why I would like to get married”.

“I do want to raise children, to profess my love and be supported by the community.”

Outspoken remarks from those within his own church have been hard for him to hear, but are nothing new, he says.

“Since coming out as a gay catholic, I have felt I was living in an oppressive community.”

He says, though, he feels compassion for the church leaders who are filled with fear because they are constrained by the boundaries of their argument and have not had the opportunity to talk to gay Catholics on a deep level.’

Protect the Pope comment: This BBC interview with a gay Catholic reveals the future collision between the Church and the State set out clearly for all to see. There can be no doubt that gay Catholics will use equality legislation in an attempt to force the Church to recognise man-man, woman-woman unions.

It also shows the price we’re having to pay for the failure of the hierarchy and catechetical establishment in this country for not challenging the dissent from Catholic teaching and discipline.  That a self-professed devout Catholic thinks that homosexuals could receive the sacrament of marriage is an indictment of catechesis over the past 40 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17354465

 

 

18 comments to BBC reports that gay Catholics want to receive the sacrament of marriage

  • This is utterly bizarre. Like you say, it really is an indictment of catechesis. Thank you for bringing the story to our attention.

    • Karla

      I know – are you kidding me. I am constantly astounded by the language used by people who are practicing homosexual behavior being called or calling themselves ‘devout Catholics,’ ‘devout Christians’ when they are engaging in behavior which is in direct conflict with the faith – are you not closer to self excommunication when you are engaging in that behavior than you are to being devout!?

  • Gurn

    If they are in a civil partnership they are most definately NOT devout Catholics. This is pure hedonism and selfishness on his part, with the amount of whining Catholics have to put up with you would think homosexuals are the only ones who struggle to uphold the Church’s teaching on sexuality, did they think salvation would be easy?

    This man clearly hasn’t a clue what objective morality is, he is too blinded by his desires and over inflated personal whim. The law at the moment states that marriage is between one man and one woman and has its objective basis in the biological link between a man and a woman. Gay marriage has no such objective basis on which it can stand at all, only emotional conjectures about equal rights and subjective personal whim.

    And when they use words like ‘bigot’ or phrases like ‘get with the times’ they are doing nothing but making emotional outbursts with no substance.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    “Devout Catholic” falls into the same category as “Leading Catholic Theologian”. Whoever had heard of Charles Curran before he rubbished “Humanae Vitae”?

  • Mike

    Well said Deacon Nick. The Church is being attacked here and in the U.S. in those areas where it’s failed to sufficiently teach and admonish: contraception and homosexual practice.

  • Veritas

    “Quis custodiat ipsos custodes?” (1)

    “They are hoping to follow their summer ceremony ……. with a trip to New York next year to receive the sacrament of marriage from a priest involved with the local gay Catholic community.”

    What poor deluded fallen creatures the pair of them are!

    The sacrament of marriage is not conferred by the priest. It is conferred by the bride and groom on each other when they freely express their consent to marry by their exchange of vows – with the priest or deacon (or other person authorised by the Church) acting merely as the official Church witness.

    Any couple who are not free to marry in the sight of God could have a priest, a bishop, an archbishop, a cardinal or even the Holy Father himself witnessing their exchange of vows – but it would not make any difference.

    Of course the one who is committing the gravest sin is the renegade priest who will have studied Moral Theology and Canon Law and who knows that what he is doing is gravely sinful.

    Even though the priest himself may have been badly taught by the likes of Fr Charles Curran, he will certainly know that Fr Curran’s immoral views were condemned and his license to teach as a Catholic Theologian was revoked by Cardinal Ratzinger….. But, sadly, Fr Curran still has his disciples today who continue to lead many people atray.

    (1) “Who shall guard the guards?” which applied to this situation means we need good and trustworthy catechists, RE teachers – and, above all, trustworthy priests and bishops.

  • Michael Cole

    Terence Weldom, at his “Catholic” blog Queering the Church, sees homosexuals and homosexuality everywhere. This week he is suggesting that St. Patrick had a gay lover.

    Archbishop Nichols, you want evidence that the Soho Masses are not faithful? Terry Weldon plays a big part in those Masses.

  • Veritas

    CORRECTED VERSION (LATIN WAS INCORRECT)

    “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”(1)

    “They are hoping to follow their summer ceremony ……. with a trip to New York next year to receive the sacrament of marriage from a priest involved with the local gay Catholic community.”

    What poor deluded fallen creatures the pair of them are!

    The sacrament of marriage is not conferred by the priest. It is conferred by the bride and groom on each other when they freely express their consent to marry by their exchange of vows –with the priest or deacon (or other person authorised by the Church) acting merely as the official Church witness.

    Any couple who are not free to marry in the sight of God could have a priest,a bishop,an archbishop,a cardinal or even the Holy Father himself witnessing their exchange of vows –but it would not make any difference.

    Of course the one who is committing the gravest sin is the renegade priest who will have studied Moral Theology and Canon Law and who knows that what he is doing is gravely sinful.

    Even though the priest himself may have been badly taught by the likes of Fr Charles Curran,he will certainly know that Fr Curran’s immoral views were condemned and his license to teach as a Catholic Theologian was revoked by Cardinal Ratzinger….. But,sadly,Fr Curran still has his disciples today who continue to lead many people atray.

    (1) “Who shall guard the guards?”which applied to this situation means we need good and trustworthy catechists,RE teachers –and,above all,trustworthy priests and bishops.

  • James

    Devout Catholics – well not that devout.

    Probably as devout as Cameron is a committed Christian?

  • Genty

    I wonder when the first “gay” marriage will be “celebrated” at the Soho “gay” Masses church. Then what will Archbishop Nichols say? Or will he hold his tongue?

  • fd

    Today ,reading Avvenire,I received the latest enormous disappointment by the State TV RAI. A few days ago, Avvenire reports, the center-right newspaper Libero critiziced RAI 4 ( one of the RAI channels which can be seen on the terrestral digital tv) for showing a Spanish tv series on prime time which was about youths (it is meant for teenagers) with explicit scenes of DRUG and SEX. (And the actors are all teens )
    The director of the channel, Mr Freccero( who-prior to becoming the rai 4 director directed left wing newspapers such as Il Manifesto and L’Unità, picked up the phone and called the Libero editor and covered him with insults, saying that Libero is “a shitty newspaper, that their journalists are fascists “and shouting about a plot by RAI, which-he says in the phone call- “is in the hands of the padophile Cardinals in the Vatican” , and this plot will never allow him to become the RAI 1 director and so on and so forth.
    The phone call was recorded.
    Today Avvenire said that,while Libero was perhaps not fair in recording the phone call without Freccero knowing about that, what Freccero said is very serious indeed.
    Then Avvenire also criticizes the Spanish tv series, saying that it could go against an Italian law which prevents such images from being shown in prime time.
    Now , there is st I’m really cross about,which is to say the fact that all the other newspapers, as far as I know, starting from the big la Repubblica and Corriere della Sera, have been quiet about all this thing,not saying anything.
    They should be the first to deplore such a tv series, and they should be the first to deplore the senseless and disgusting behaviour of Mr Freccero and his insults to fellow journalists and to the Vatican.
    Il Fatto Quotidiano,one of the very few which has covered the story, even has the guts to say in its website that Mr Freccero is a victim of the “bigotry we have in Italy”
    Libero,in its website, says that, though the press has largely ignored this disgusting behaviour by Mr Freccero( who, in my mind, should be removed by RAI this very instant), the recording of the phone call on their website has been listened by a very large number of readers.
    Libero also says that the director general of RAI , Ms Lorenza Lei( who defines herself as an observing Catholic person) is cross at Mr Freccero.
    But the point is that the paper also says that it has emerged that neither the director general Ms Lei nor other RAI officials had never ever watched this tv series and had given Mr Freccero the permission to show it on prime time without even caring to know what it was about. Had they made just some tiny research they would have undoubtedly found out that the series , which had already been dubbed into Italian, had arisen controversies also in Spain, where it is shown by a private tv station.
    So, this very bad story tells us that RAI officials give their consent to programmes they don’t even care to know what they are about.
    So,what kind of management does RAI have today ?

  • Karla

    Gay ‘marriage’ not a right, prohibiting gay adoption not ‘discrimination’: European Court

    The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the prohibition of adoption to non-married couples is not discriminatory, because it applies to both heterosexual and homosexual couples equally.

    It has also ruled that homosexual “marriage” is not a right under the European Convention on Human Rights.
    The European Court of Human Rights

    The decision effectively confirms the liceity under the same Convention of French law, which does not award the status of “marriage” to homosexual couples, and does not permit non-married couples to adopt children.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-marriage-not-a-right-prohibiting-gay-adoption-not-discrimination-europe

  • Et puis quoi encore? / What next?

  • John Lusty

    Why does The Catholic Church of England and Wales since at least 2010 approve of the status of civil partnership as an authentic identification to apply to become a Euhcaristic Minister ? Re: Southwark Diocesan Official Volunteer Identification Check Form that accompanies the mandatory CRB form which is issued to each Parish Safeguarding Rep. to submit to all applicants for processing. I have been basically told that I should have no conscience about this and “not let it get in the way of what God is asking me to do”. I cannot regard this as anything but a gross hypocracy i.e. absolutely dissentive of Official Catechetical and of course Biblical Teaching. I have been told to “kick it in the grass” and ‘simply’ continue with my application as this ‘should not concern me’. So far I have been accused regarding this outcry as being incompassionate,a dog with a bone,uncharitable, another Luther:”trying to tell the Church what to do”,”taking Scripture and the Catechism literally” etc.

    • Deacon Nick

      John, you are right to be concerned about this explicit recognition and acceptance of civil partnerships between homosexual persons. The CDF has stated categorically that the Church cannot accept these pseudo-marriages. Sadly, Archbishop Nichols has recently stated that the Church in England and Wales now accepts that civil partnerships serve a good purpose.

      Often pragmatism and ‘pastoral concern’ leads to dissent from the Church’s teaching. Pope Benedict has recently said that there can be no conflict between Truth and Love, as the dissenters always assume.

      Have you written to Archbishop Peter Smith expressing your concern at the Diocese’s official recognition of the status of civil partnerships? If you do, do so politely, just state the facts and respectfully express your concern. Best not to suggest solutions to the issue, leave that to the archbishop. Under canon law you have the right and the duty to express your concerns. Deacon Nick

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