Ontario to ban Catholic schools teaching homosexuality is disordered after legalizing gay marriage

The Ontario’s State government intends to ban Catholic schools teaching homosexuality is a disordered inclination eight years after legalizing homosexual ‘marriage’. Glen Murray, a homosexual cabinet minister in Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty’s government, has stated Catholic schools will no longer be allowed to teach the Catechism’s doctrine that homosexual acts are ‘intrinsically disordered’.

Murray declared the Ontario government’s intention to ban Catholic schools teaching aspects of the Catholic faith during a debate on legislation that will force Catholic schools to organize gay clubs.

“I have to say to the bishops: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore.’ ‘“I’m not allowed to say to the Catholics—nor should I—or to other Christians or Muslims or Jews, that because of your faith you’re intrinsically disordered.”

“I would never say to you that anything that goes on in your family with the person you love—can you imagine me describing a husband-and-wife relationship as inherently depraved?”

Murray made the comments in a debate on Bill 13, known as the Accepting Schools Act, which seeks to impose tougher consequences, including expulsion, for “bullying and hate-motivated actions,“ but has been largely framed around the issue of homosexuality.

The bill requires all schools, including the publicly-funded Catholic schools, to start clubs for homosexual students, which can be called “gay-straight alliance or another name.”

Pro-family advocates charge that gay-straight alliances encourage the normalization and affirmation of the homosexual lifestyle, and promote homosexual activism by tying youth into a cross-continent network of activists.

And Ontario’s Catholic bishops have opposed the controversial clubs, saying they encourage early self-identification as homosexual, and have instead begun setting up a network of clubs under the name “Respecting Differences”.

Protect the Pope comment: The Ontario government’s plans to ban Catholic schools teaching aspects of the Catholic faith gives Catholics over here in the UK an insight into the future of our own schools if David Cameron succeeds in legalizing homosexual ‘marriage’ by 2015.

It is inevitable that the gay lobby will seek to control Catholic schools once they have gained their objective of equality with heterosexual marriage. It will just be a matter of time.

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35 comments to Ontario to ban Catholic schools teaching homosexuality is disordered after legalizing gay marriage

  • Karla

    Surely they can not legally do this can they? What about Muslim schools? They teach that homosexuality is disordered, are they going to ban them from teaching this in Ontario as well?

    This should be warning that homosexual marriage legalization has to be fought vigorously.

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  • ms catholic state

    Catholic schools may not be ‘allowed’ to say homosexual relationships are disordered….but they cannot stop saying that homosexual activity is sinful. To do so would render them automatically non-Catholic. This is just another attack on Catholic schools by hatefilled Secular authorities.

    The time might soon be approaching for Canadian Catholic schools to shut down (temporarily only). Which is exactly what they want. But our creed will always outlast their lies. We will always resurrect. And it is time for Catholics and all Christians to stop using contraceptives…NOW. It is because of contraception that we are so weakened and because the bishops fail to adress it.

  • ms catholic state

    Off topic and quite disturbing but this is the pitiful condition of some Christians in our midst. And the authorities ignore their plight. Does the Church know about these people?!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124465/Homeless-migrants-shanty-town-Northampton-shanty-town.html

  • Karla

    Off topic:

    Parish councils in England have been handed a new power to continue to hold prayers as part of their formal business, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles has announced.

    Mr Pickles insisted the new power sent a “strong signal that this Government will protect the role of faith in public life against aggressive secularism”.

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/backing-for-parish-council-prayers-16141297.html#ixzz1rG0OBWL3

  • harry

    This is one that you need to think hard about folks.

    ‘Aggresive secularism’ and ‘the gay lobby’ won’t do for you. What is said here is what makes some sections of the Church seem a little mad to ordinary people, and most won’t accept what you say.

    You can be as ‘right’ as you like, the world moves on.

    No malice in this.

  • Michael Cole

    Why should we care WHAT you think Harry? We follow God, not you or your saturated-with-sin broken culture.

    • harry

      Not saying you should Michael.

    • harry

      ‘Michael Cole

      April 6,2012 at 7:40 pm ·Reply

      Why should we care WHAT you think Harry? We follow God,not you or your saturated-with-sin broken culture.’

      Sorry Michael – an afterthought. Have you ever considered that a little more courtesy might make ‘sin-soaked broken’ people a little more inclined to consider your point of view in a kinder light?

      I bet its a real trial being so ‘right’.

      • savvy

        You cannot create a new sun in the sky. Denying the essence of things, based on their purpose and end in a physical world, does not make you progressive. It makes you afraid of reality. I bet it’s hard for you to face this in the current subjective insanity.

  • Michael Cole

    Once again Harry, what makes you think that we care what YOU think? You were the one who came here with an attitude assaulting us with your rudeness. You wrote, “What is said here is what makes some sections of the Church seem a little mad to ordinary people,and most won’t accept what you say.

    You can be as ‘right’as you like,the world moves on.”

    Again, no one here cares what YOU think. Perhaps you should take your hate elsewhere.

  • matthew

    Hear, hear Harry. Aggressive catholicism. Who’d have thought.

  • Ioannes

    The human sex drive exists for a biological reason, namely to propagate the species. For example, the female orgasm has been shown not to be an end in itself, but to make it more likely for conception to take place. The unitive nature of the sexual bond is also connected with the rearing of children. It therefore follows that same-sex attraction is objectively disordered – the word ‘objective’ is important here; we’re not making a value judgement, merely stating a fact. Even if you deny the whole idea of sin, you can’t deny biology.

    • harry

      I don’t think anyone’s denying the biology aspect Ioannes; but a lot of posts on the whole subject of gays have been pretty visceral.

    • sam mace

      In fact you haven’t even stated a case to deconstruct on why homosexuality is disordered. All you did was state pedophilia is disordered, equated homosexuality with being a pedophile and then said explain why homosexuality is different from the worst criminal act one can commit. The burden of proof is on the person asserting a proposition, you assert a claim of which there is no evidence for and you haven’t given any evidence. You just waffled on about people who commit awful crimes.

  • Jonathan Marshall

    What is being proposed in Ontario is nothing more nor less than “Thought Crime”.

    A liberal will defend to the death your right to agree with him.

    • sam mace

      But in the ten commandments thought crime is a crime. I believe the church needs to drop this divisive frankly nutty position on homosexuality. Is this position held because it is popular where the church is really growing which is in Africa? The objectively disordered argument is nonsense, anyone who studies psychology at A level understands that homosexuality isn’t psychological it is BIOLOGICAL.

      • Ioannes

        Yet the Church’s position on homosexual behaviour was pretty well universally held until when? 1980 or thereabouts? The idea of an A-Level in psychology is laughable, but A-Levels in general are a standing joke – in modern languages you can get a starred A grade without ever having to translate anything,or read a word of literature in the target language. And while it is perfectly true that one can sin “cogitatione, verbo, opere et omissione”, the law is concerned mainly with the last two, only in exceptional circumstances with the second, and not at all with the first.

        • sam mace

          Well hopefully you understand the difference between A levels. I don’t take a modern foreign language A level. I take sociology, philosophy and politics. I know people who take psychology and they deal with the concept of sexuality within this, not one person I have talked to (including those who are religious)believe that sexuality is psychological. An A level in psychology isn’t laughable, it is a precursor to generally doing a degree in psychology.

          • Ioannes

            An A-Level in psychology was regarded as a soft option before most A-Levels became soft options (I can’t speak for pure or applied mathematics, though it is difficult to imagine they would have escaped the overall dumbing-down). Anyway, it’s entirely irrelevant since the term ‘disorder’ is to be understood in the context of natural law, not psychology. Take the case of a paedophile (someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children). This is a part of his ‘sexuality’ which is objectively or intrinsically disordered. He may well be married and have normal conjugal relations; this aspect of his ‘sexuality’ is obviously neither objectively nor intrinsically disordered. The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to same-sex sexual attraction.

            Perhaps you could explain, from a philosophical and logical standpoint, why you dismiss this argument as ‘nonsense’.

          • harry

            I don’t know if you’ll feel that my point is a bit off topic Ioannes, but is ‘objectively’ the issue? Could it not be that most people [in the UK anyway] simply accept gayness as the way things are/up to the individual/socially acceptable.

            In the same way, bothering children isn’t any of the above in the UK. So while, in ‘logic’, you might be right, in practice maybe not so.

            Just my take on things from a practical everyday level.I never did A levels ;)

        • sam mace

          Firstly A levels are not easy, A levels are not soft options and to say they are soft options is quite insulting to those who are completing them. If we are talking of natural law then homosexuality is in no way ‘disordered’. By the way A level Psychology isn’t a soft option and maybe you are thinking of sociology which was regarded as a soft option despite it not being one.

          Your argument fails to make the case why same sex attraction is disordered. The reason why Pedophilia is wrong is because the child is unable to consent and it is in reality rape. Homosexuality is nothing like that, it has a biological foundation and very few people are truly gay or straight. The only piece of credible research into sexual orientation changing has just been withdrawn by the author after he admitted serious methodological errors.

          The philosophical argument could come from many different areas, one being the harm principle by J.S Mill, homosexuality isn’t doing any harm so why should you seek to harm those who are engaging in it. Again another argument from Mill can be deployed that different styles of living leads to tolerance which leads to progress. Progress helps all of humanity and we can only ascertain progress through tolerance. I think John Rawls veil of ignorance and Kants universalism could also be deployed with most people.

          A logical argument could be made for the promotion of homosexuality through overpopulation. Other logical arguments could come from if young people are struggling the last thing they need to be told is that they are morally evil and disordered. The fact is gay teenagers have a higher suicide rate because they are told these things. Look at the royal institution of psychology etc. Other logical arguments could come from the fact that homosexuality isn’t recent, it is a attraction which has been with the human race for tens of thousands of years.

          • savvy

            Sam,

            There is no debate over the origins of homosexuality. The debate is over the objective nature of actions. Disorder hence would refer to a moral one.

            Objectively it’s the wrong use of a right thing. It takes organs intended for heterosexual purposes and uses them for homosexual acts. Our bodies are not external to our being, they are not foreign places we occupy. We are embodied persons.

            Gay suicide rates are high even in places like San Francisco and the Netherlands, where acceptance is found.

            Historically only male homosexuality was accepted, these men had male lovers and wives on the side too.

            A lot of things are not recent. This argument does not make something right or wrong.

            There has also been universal disgust for homosexuality even in cultures where they were found.

          • Ioannes

            Sam, your arguments are not without merit, but are not particularly relevant. No-one is suggesting that homosexuality is recent, since its practice is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments, and we know quite a lot about the sexual mores of (pagan) classical civilization. However, I was not talking about homosexual practices, rather homosexual orientation. Paedophilia (the word was coined in the 1970s by paedophiles themselves) is also an inclination, and if acted upon is indeed harmful to the children concerned. It is the propensity which is disordered, not the person, who like the homosexual may have this tendency through no fault of his own. Homosexual practices are at best biologically futile (since they cannot lead to procreation) and at worst dangerous; figures published in Northern Ireland in December 2011 show that the incidence of HIV among active homosexuals was at an all-time high. So even if you believe, with the Marquis de Sade, that there is no higher morality than the pursuit of one’s inclinations (disordered or no), there are still practical considerations to be taken into account.

            Regarding A-Levels – there is no doubt that they are too easy, and I have nearly forty years of teaching experience and a mountain of evidence to back this up. Why is this insulting to those who take them? They have no choice in the matter. But they have been badly let down and if they gain entry to a proper university they will find that they are ill-equipped for the rigours of an academic course. This problem has at last been recognized and there appear to be indications that there is some prospect of its being addressed.

        • sam mace

          Savvy I am arguing that homosexuality is biological and homosexuals practicing and declaring their love doesn’t harm you so why do you feel the need to judge others? please post links of specific suicide rates etc maybe there are external factors? Savvy what about the greeks? there was no disgust in that culture if I am correct or in this culture in the main.

          Ionnes I have to disagree, first of all in Northern Ireland I would expect no less. In a very religious country which some do feel oppressed people will in secret commit silly acts. Yes some sexual disease rates may be higher but not all homosexuals have to do sexual acts which create a higher risk. While it may not lead to procreation I believe it is biological in nature, harms no-one if acted properly and therefore not bad.

          I believe some A levels are too simple, many are challenging though e.g. politics, philosophy etc, and they are set at a difficult time in many peoples lives. I am going to a top 10 university which is Lancaster, and I am confident I will be more than equipped to deal with the course. My back up is York which has just been accepted into the Russell group. I know pass rates have gone up is that a sign many are becoming smarter rather than exams being easier? It’s insulting because when someone achieves a good grade in a way you stating that A levels are easy demeans this sense of achievement.

          • Ioannes

            “I know pass rates have gone up is that a sign that many are becoming smarter …?” Er, no. “A difficult time in many people’s lives” – Ah, diddums. You’re in for a shock when you enter the real world. I mentioned Northern Ireland simply because the figures were available. “Not all homosexuals have to do sexual acts” – this is exactly what the Church says, so at least you agree with her on this one!

            The Hellenophile Lord Byron (whose own sexual morality did not preclude tupping his half-sister) said the only thing he had against the ancient Greeks was their pederasty. The Romans agreed, and they were not exactly prudish.

            Does “declaring your love” imply a sexual relationship? I love my sister and I love my dog and yet I don’t wish to have sex with either. Which brings us to another consideration, namely that the almost universal antipathy to homosexuality and incest might be hard-wired into us as a result of evolution. Run that one past your friend who studies psychology, a fairly modern corpus of beliefs, many of them contradictory.

            The unquestioning acceptance of every modern fad was as deluded in 1970 as it is now. I hope university teaches you that; my PGCE is from Lancaster, and York I believe has a very good music school.

  • Roger

    “..a lot of posts on the whole subject of gays have been pretty visceral.” Nonsense.

    • harry

      For example:

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      ‘Dave

      March 27,2012 at 1:09 pm ·Reply

      I’ve got a lot of problems with the Church,but when it comes right down to it,I still spell “Church”with a capital C when I’m talking about the Catholic Church. I have no doubt that the gay lobby is indeed lining up a test case somewhere,but I’m equally sure that the Church will stand firm on this. The ice will be six feet thick across the floor of hell before a gay couple are “married”before one of our altars,and if that means going back into the fields and up onto the hillsides to celebrate Mass,well,we’ve been there before.
      .

      Caral

      March 27,2012 at 3:01 pm ·Reply

      The ice will be six feet thick across the floor of hell before a gay couple are “married”before one of our altars,and if that means going back into the fields and up onto the hillsides to celebrate Mass,well,we’ve been there before.

      Well said Dave!’

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      Maybe better to have asked ‘can you give an example’ rather than ‘nonsense’. Another quite disturbing example was:

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      ‘Again,no one here cares what YOU think. Perhaps you should take your hate elsewhere’
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      I’d like to suggest that it will be a shame if this site is only for people who toe the party line. As for ‘hate’, its my experience that people view others from their own view of the world.

      I’m putting a pov for discussion, nothing more.

  • Roger

    You may not like to hear the truth Harry, but Hell is a reality. And those who engage in mortal sin, like homosexual acts, and who do not repent, stand a very good chance of spending eternity there.

    “The ice will be six feet thick across the floor of hell before a gay couple are ‘married’ before one of our altars.” What’s wrong with this statement? Is your hatred and intolerance toward Catholic moral teaching so intense that you insist it be changed to suit YOUR tastes?

    Your comment was far more offensive: “What is said here is what makes some sections of the Church seem a little mad to ordinary people, and most won’t accept what you say…You can be as ‘right’as you like, the world moves on.”

    Mad? You were saying here that those of us who actually accept the teaching of the magisterium are insane.

    You complain now about “rudeness”?

    Physician heal thyself!

    • Fred

      ‘Roger
      April 12,2012 at 3:05 am ·Reply
      You may not like to hear the truth Harry,but Hell is a reality. And those who engage in mortal sin,like homosexual acts,and who do not repent,stand a very good chance of spending eternity there.’

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      Thats a point of view that we won’t share.I recall that the church used to kill people to save them from hell….

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      “The ice will be six feet thick across the floor of hell before a gay couple are ‘married’before one of our altars.”What’s wrong with this statement? Is your hatred and intolerance toward Catholic moral teaching so intense that you insist it be changed to suit YOUR tastes?

      Your comment was far more offensive:“What is said here is what makes some sections of the Church seem a little mad to ordinary people,and most won’t accept what you say…You can be as ‘right’as you like,the world moves on.”
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      It’s a comment, not a judgement. You can test the water by asking people in the street what they think.You may not like or accept it, but at least you’ll know.
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      ‘Mad? You were saying here that those of us who actually accept the teaching of the magisterium are insane.’
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      No, I’ve no idea if any indiviuals on here have mental problems. Again in might be best to concentrate on how lots of people view the Churches teachings. Look outwards and consider how the church is viewed. All I’m saying is don’t be too surprised if people don’t see what you say as ‘the decent thing’.
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      ‘You complain now about “rudeness”?

      Physician heal thyself!’
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      When my children were young I pointed out the difference between saying that what someone did or said was bad, as against saying that the person was bad.I won’t labour the point.

  • Fred

    And yes Fred/Harry are the same. Sorry for the confusion.

  • Roger

    Yes, you forgot to change your screen name before posting. You’ve been posting here using multiple names.

    Q.E.D.

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