Prejudging consultation David Cameron gives personal guarantee that he will legalise same-sex marriage by 2015

At a reception at 10 Downing Street for representatives of people with disordered  sexual attractions [LGBT] the Prime Minister David Cameron gave his personal guarantee that his government will legalise unnatural marriage by 2015, irrespective of the results of the government’s same-sex marriage consultation.

Paying tribute to self-described Catholic Tony Blair for legalising same sex civil partnerships David Cameron said:

‘“I just want to say I am absolutely determined that this Coalition government will follow in that tradition by legislating for gay marriage in this Parliament. I make that point not only as someone who believes in equality but as someone who believes passionately in marriage.

“I think marriage is a great institution – I think it helps people to commit, it helps people to say that they’re going to care and love for another person.

“It helps people to put aside their selfish interests and think of the union that they’re forming.

Its something I feel passionately about and I think if its good enough for straight people like me, its good enough for everybody and that’s why we should have gay marriage and we will.”

The Prime Minister compared his opponents in the Church to the Conservative party “which for many many years got itself on the wrong side of this argument”.

He said: “It locked people out who were naturally Conservative from supporting it and so I think I can make that point to the Church, gently.”

Mr Cameron said that the Church should not “be locking out people who are gay, or are bisexual or are transgender from being full members of that Church, because many people with deeply held Christian views, are also gay”.

He added: “And just as the Conservative Party, as an institution, made a mistake in locking people out so I think the Churches can be in danger of doing the same thing.”

Mr Cameron said that changing the culture “on the football field, or in the rugby dressing room” or in the school playground or offices towards homosexuals was going to be difficult.

But he added: “The promise I can make you is that this coalition government is committed to both changing the law and also working to help change the culture and the Conservative party absolutely backs that. This is something … I personally feel very passionately about.”

Protect the Pope comment: At a reception at 10 Downing Street the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom told a group of people suffering from disordered sexual attractions that they are right and the Christian churches are wrong.

And during the course of this bizarre reception David Cameron also sought to ‘gently’ correct the Church for upholding the truth that God instituted marriage for the procreation and education of children within the loving union of husband and wife.

There is nothing ‘gentle’ about David Cameron’s determination to rip up the perennial understanding of the nature and purpose of marriage, that is rooted in the intrinsic complementarity of maleness and femaleness.  David Cameron, a self-described Conservative, plans to commit one of the most violent acts against the foundations of this country since the heresiarch King Henry VIII broke England’s communion with the Successor of St. Peter.

His government’s reassurances that the Churches will not have to conduct same sex marriages flies in the face of judgments made by the European Court of Human Rights. His words cannot be trusted, no matter how gentle.


33 comments to Prejudging consultation David Cameron gives personal guarantee that he will legalise same-sex marriage by 2015

  • Karla

    So he is waiting until after the general election until he is safe and dry? Pathetic

    David Cameron – you have no authority to redefine a sacred institution which pre dates garment and which government has no authority to redefine

    I hope David Cameron is chucked out along with Nick Clegg and his cohorts in 2015. The only way to stop this will be to elect the leader of the Independence party, Nigel Farage, this could happen, there is a major dislike of the 3 major parties right now and I do not see that changing. Farage thinks Cameron is pushing gay ‘marriage’ ‘in an effort to preempt a European court ruling that would likely declare the UK’s current marriage laws discriminatory

    • harry

      Are you an American Karla?

      • Karla

        No I live in the UK

        • harry

          Mr Farage will lead a UK Govt.the day hell freezes over. Thats not me being rude, its just a fair statement of the odds.

          I’ll bet a tenner on this, and I only bet on dead certs.

          You’ve just got to look at the lad. :)

          • Karla

            I am not betting against. Many people have had enough of the 3 major parties, and if Mr Farage leads a credible campaign it is certainly possible

    • sam mace

      Karla any serious analyst of politics knows that Mr Farage has no chance of getting in. While the man is a maverick he is also leader of a fringe party that has never won a British electoral seat in Parliament. Mr Farage is unable to lead a credible campaign because UKIP is not credible. The most damage they will do is split the Tory vote and give the election to Labour.

      Also marriage is first and foremost a civil institution, technically that means they can change it.

      • Karla

        I thought you were talking about the BNP for a minute, not UKIP. If UKIP were not credible they would of not of had a record success in the May local elections when they have usually have not been very successfully. Anything’s possible

        • sam mace

          Anything is possible but UKIP will not win the general election, the local elections are known for protest votes Karla. It is one of the reasons why the Liberal Democrats proportionally had more Councillors than MP’s. Also what was their success? Below are the votes and they made a net gain of 4, so theoretically the Green’s are more likely to win than UKIP.

          UKIP polled a total of 390,555 votes nationwide in last Thursday’s local and regional elections –“Though this did not translate into a huge number of wins – we made a net gain of 4 Unitary, District and Borough councillors, against the Greens’ 14, the English Democrats’ one and the BNP’s loss of 11 – it clearly shows that we have made substantial progress in the past 12 months.

    • ms catholic state

      I usually vote for a Christian party but even though I live in an area where the Churches are full…the Christian party gets a mere 300 votes or so. That’s Christians for you….we vote for pro-abort people who will destroy the Church…because hey…Church and state must be kept serparate (and anyhow they pose for photos with our bishops so that means they like Catholics a lot doesn’t it?!!! Anyhow…Faith is a private matter only isn’t it?!) Our votes are so easily bought that the politicians have no respect for our faith.

      Really…we are pathetic.

  • harry

    Not enough Karla.

  • ms catholic state

    Is he determined to commit political suicide?! Most people might or might not be for gay ‘marriage’ but what will they think when they see their Catholic neighbours going to prison and losing jobs over it?! Already children are being put on criminal registers at schools for any homophobic ‘slur’….but the authorities like to keep this hush hush. Picking on little children isn’t quite the image these caring sharing trendy equality types like to give. Why there isn’t uproar over this I do not know! Secular parents seem to be very easily cowed by the establishment.

    I hope the bishops pick up on this and come to the defence of victims of the ‘equality’ witchhunt. There is a lot of support to be had if they can only tap into it.

  • ms catholic state

    I think David Cameron is personally committed to gay marriage….come hell or high water. People on an anti-Christian streak will gamble all….rather than submit to the Church (or even the electorate). It’s as if he thinks he is a greater moral arbitrar than the Church. Why…he might even think he has greater moral authority than Christ Himself.

    What a rush to the head that must give.

  • Michael Petek

    “Most people might or might not be for gay ‘marriage’ but what will they think when they see their Catholic neighbours going to prison and losing jobs over it?!”

    Most people are unbelievers and would be quite keen on seeing Catholicism stamped out.

    • Bob Hayes

      ‘Most people are unbelievers and would be quite keen on seeing Catholicism stamped out.’

      Do you say that as a believer in democracy or totalitarianism, Michael? I think we should be told…

    • Er

      Noone will go to jail. Noone has gone to jail for refusing to marry divorcees or for making public statements against divorce. It is almost like some people are not so secretly wishing to be persecuted and sent to jail.

    • ms catholic state

      I don’t think that is completely true Michael. I think a very vociferous large minority would like to see the Church wiped out….but not the silent majority. I believe when people see where secularism and secular politicians are leading them…they will be glad to know the Church exists and could even turn once more to it. To my mind secular elites are the greatest charlatans and deceivers ever.

      The Church must begin to unveil the destructive plans of these people and their false promises of a secular paradise, and offer instead an alternative Christ-centered society of the future. God willing.

  • Bob Hayes

    UK politicians do not see Catholics – or indeed other Christian denominations – as a monolithic block with defined views on moral, social, political or economic matters. Therefore they see no perceived advantage in pursuing our vote and no reason to address our concerns.

    Twenty-five years ago, the ‘pink vote’ was embraced by only the LibDems. However, by using high-level media/’celebrity’ connections and a carefully-structured incremental approach, campaigners built a ‘pink voting block’. Labour and later the Conservatives soon sought a piece of the action. By this time all three main parties had learnt from the Labour Party’s cynical use and abuse of minority ethnic votes, which it had taken for granted for decades. Now the three main parties will make – and often deliver – promises to any perceived voting block.

    In contrast, politicians do not see Catholics (or Christians in general) as a voting block to be fought over. Rather we are viewed as flotsam on the electoral tides: of no consequence except when we occasionally wash-up on the politicians’ Golden Mile. When that happens we are to be quickly cleared from sight so as not to spoil the view.

    While abortion and euthanasia are, this year, sidelined for an ‘Olympified health and fitness’ Day for Life in various quarters, it is perhaps not surprising that politicians see little reason to pursue Catholic votes.

    • Eric

      “UK politicians do not see Catholics – or indeed other Christian denominations – as a monolithic block with defined views ”

      That is because we are not a monolithic block. And we don’t all share the same views.

      • Bob Hayes

        Eric, I was not suggesting that we are a monolithic block. Rather, I suggest we are seen by politicians as a disparate group, holding diverse views who are unable (or unwilling) to rally to any given cause – including the essence of our faith and the teachings of the Church. While we are viewed as such we will be ignored.

        In contrast the ‘gay community’ (in reality not a community at all, but a diversity of people who organise around their shared sexual identification) has been very effective at creating a united front and working the political system. The effectiveness of its perceived ‘voting block’ is well illustrated by its successful lobbying around the Protection of Freedoms Bill – now Act 2012. It successfully secured clauses that enable those convicted of buggery or gross indecency, under now repealed legislation, to apply to have their criminal record expunged. This legislation was pertinent to just a tiny minority of people, but the ‘gay community’ put its weight behind the cause – and David Cameron thought it worth pledging to support prior to the 2010 general election.

        That the views of millions of Catholics cannot be galvanised into an effective lobbying force should be a source of great concern to every Catholic – and our Hierarchy.

        • Eric

          The politicial success of the Gay community isn’t because they are a voting block. If all gay people all voted as a block (which is kind of an insulting suggestion in itself)you would still only have 1 or 2 percent of the vote,

          The political success of the Gay community is because many straight people support them.

          If the Catholic community want to emulate the suggess of the Gay community they need to find common cause with those outside the Church. I am not convinced that the Church is willing to do this.

          • Bob Hayes

            Too much ‘community’ there Eric! In reality, there is neither a ‘gay community’ and nor a ‘Catholic community’. Politicians identify ‘interest groups’ whose support they will try to win. The support may be in votes, donations or by association. The politically active, amongst those who identify themselves by their non-heterosexuality, have become adept at lobbying and are now rubbing shoulders with the likes of the arms industry and the supermarkets – interest groups that all the political parties court.

            You make a valid point about there being scope to find common cause with other groups, but your observation about ‘straight people’ (Is there not a ‘straight community’?!) supporting gay rights issues is a rather sweeping generalisation. Let’s be honest, Part 5, Ch. 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 will be unknown to the vast majority of people. It was one of Cameron’s ways of collecting his pink credentials.

    • Karla

      True, but still, polls have shown most homosexuals are not interested in gay ‘marriage,’ and other polls have shown majority of the general popu. is not supportive of gay ‘marriage.’

  • Spesalvi23

    Just a short question: is any of you sure whom they will vote for in the next election? And what are the most important criteria to you?

    • Eric

      Not sure who I will vote for, but certainly not Tory and probably not Labour. I can’t say the Lib Dems impress me very much either although I have voted for them in the past. But I will vote. I consider it my duty to do so and the most important criteria for me are:

      1, sensible (ie, both fair and realistic) plans for our economy.
      2, a commitment to the welfare of all in society.
      3, integrity and honesty of the individual concerned.

      Gay marriage is a very minor issue relatively speaking. If we believe that heterosexual marriage and families are important to the health of society (and I do) then perhaps we should look at the major causes of divorce. Always near the top of the list is money/employment worries. I see it as MUCH more important to vote for a party who will protect the family by making sure that Dad still has a job and is able to support his family than worry about which party most closely matches the Churches position on something like gay marriage because no party is likley to.

      Who will you be voting for?

  • Nicolas Bellord

    Mr Cameron said that the Church should not “be locking out people who are gay, or are bisexual or are transgender from being full members of that Church, because many people with deeply held Christian views, are also gay”.

    That is just a straight-forward lie. Since when have they been locked out? Or is it just the view of a blithering idiot who is utterly ignorant of Church life whether Anglican or Catholic. He certainly seems to be following in the footsteps of Bliar. I have voted Conservative all my life except once when very young when I voted for Jo Grimond as he seemed a nice chap. I have told my MP that I will never vote Conservative again if gay-marriage goes on the statute book.

  • SteveD

    A marriage is not a marriage until consummated. How is a homosexual ‘marriage’ to be ever considered consummated? Will the consummation of a real marriage become unnecessary for the laws to be equal among then normal and the abnormal?

  • Karla

    Gay marriage ‘will cost Cameron grass roots support at election’

    Can some here stop saying this position is not going to effect the election, it will

    • harry

      Oh no it won’t :) Or it might lose the Tories some votes in Misomer Murderland.

      Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see him lose, and I hope he does, but likely not because he loses those particular votes.

  • Teresa

    yes – he can only give his personal guarantee if he remains PM! He wont be getting my vote again, and the Tory party is much divided over the issue. I now read that they have suffered a great loss in the number of their volunteers and members.

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