Concerning Prof. Tina Beattie, Catholic, theologian, pro-abortion,and pro-gay marriage

Prof. Tina Beattie is a leading advocate of dissent in the English Catholic Church from major doctrines and disciplines of the  Faith. She was one of the signatories of the letter recently published in The Times that quoted selectively from Cardinal Hume in order to support the government’s plans for homosexual marriage.

Prof. Beattie has also spoken in support of the proposition, ‘This House would legalise same-sex marriage in England and Wales’, which was recently debated at Digby Stuart College, University of Roehampton. She also publicly supports the newly formed dissenting campaign group, ‘Call to Action’ lead by seven English priests.

Prof. Beattie is the Director of the Digby Stuart Research Centre for Catholic Studies at Roehampton University. The University of Roehampton website explains that Digby Stuart College is a ‘a Roman Catholic foundation, first established in 1874 as a women’s teacher training college by the Society of the Sacred Heart, an order of French religious women who settled at Roehampton in 1850.’

Prof.Beatttie’s title at Digby Stuart College is Professor Theology and Religious Studies Programme Convener MA Religion & Human Rights. She is a former President of the Catholic Theological Association of Great Britain and a member of CAFOD’s Theological Advisory Group.  According to the Roehampton website Prof. Beattie is ‘ often asked to give lectures and run workshops for parishes, religious communities and interfaith groups.’

Here is a brief selection of Prof. Tina Beatties’ writings on the Catholic Faith:

In an examination of the morality of abortion Prof. Beattie justifies  the argument that the embryo is not a person by using the doctrine of the Trinity

‘Given that in Christian theology the understanding of personhood is fundamentally relational because it bears the image of the Triune God, it is hard to see how an embryo can be deemed a person before even the mother enters into a rudimentary relationship with it. As many as one in four pregnancies may spontaneously abort during the first eight weeks of pregnancy, often without the woman knowing that she was pregnant. As some Catholic ethicists point out, the logical corollary of this position is that a woman should baptise every menstrual period – just in case.’

‘To acknowledge that there are cases when early abortion is the lesser of two evils is not to be pro-abortion, any more than to acknowledge that sometimes war may be a necessary evil means that one is pro-war.’

To read Prof. Beattie’s article go to:

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/14789

[Protect the Pope comment: Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of sacramental theology knows that the sacrament of Baptism cannot be administered to a dead child. In the tragic circumstances of a miscarriage or stillbirth the child has already died. For Prof. Beattie to write that a 'woman should baptise every menstrual period - just in case'  not only indicates a lack of basic knowledge on her part, but also displays a shocking insensitivity towards Catholic parents who are suffering the grief of miscarriage or stillbirth.]

Prof. Beattie uses the doctrine of the marriage between Christ and His Church to support gay marriage

‘If we allow the marriage between Christ and the Church to become the mystery within which all human loving participates and towards which all human love is drawn, and if we accept that sexual love is good even when it is non-procreative, can we not go beyond this “impossibility” of gay marriage? ‘

‘Marriage is not just about sex but about a lifelong commitment to bodily unity in difference with another human being in all the interwoven materiality of our lives. Yes, of course, we are our bodies, and in some species (not all) the reproduction of the species depends upon heterosexual intercourse. Yet couldn’t marriage become an inclusive rather than an exclusive sacrament?’

‘If we want to understand the sacrament, we need to look to Christ and the Church, not to the abundant diversity of participation within that sacramental love that constitutes our bodily human relationships. I’ve been married for 37 years and I have four children, but the loving relationships of my gay friends have helped me to understand more deeply what marriage means as a partnership of equals. I hope that they in turn have been enriched by their married heterosexual friends, and have better understood what their love means within the sacramental love of Christ and the Church.’

‘In these times of radical change in our understanding of sexuality and human dignity (especially the full and equal dignity of women in this life and not just in the life to come), maybe we heterosexuals need the marriages of our homosexual friends to help us to understand what marriage looks like when it’s not corrupted by traditions of domination and subordination.’

To read Prof. Beattie’s contribution go to:

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/162433

[Protect the Pope comment: Prof. Beattie twice suggests that the theology of Christ's marriage to the Church justifies the case for homosexual marriage without explaining how. She ignores the basic scriptural datum of  Christological nuptial theology that Christ is 'he' and the Church is 'she' and that Christ is the bridegroom and the Church the bride. (cf. Eph 5:22-33). ]

Protect the Pope Comment: Of course Prof. Beattie has the right as a Catholic to question and doubt such fundamental and sensitive doctrines of Faith, but only in private, seeking advice and guidance from her spiritual director, priest and bishop.  But surely Prof. Beattie does not have the right as a Catholic to use her position as a professor at a Catholic foundation college to publicly disseminate dissent and disloyalty in the Church? But even more objectionable is Prof. Beattie voicing her dissent to young people under her care as a teacher.

Furthermore, it is of great concern that Prof. Beattie is a member of CAFOD’s Theological Advisory Group. CAFOD is an agency of the Bishops Conference of England and Wales. Bishop Arnold is the Chairman of CAFOD and Bishop Kieran Conry, the Head of the Conference’s Dept. for Evangelisation and Catechesis, is a trustee.  The question which must be addressed to these two bishops is, should a Catholic who publicly dissents from the Church’s teaching on abortion and homosexuality be a member of CAFOD’s Theological Advisory Group?

In the light of the fact that  Bishop Arnold, Bishop Conry, CAFOD, and the Bishops Conference have not publicly challenged or criticised Prof. Beattie’s positions on abortion and homosexuality it appears to Protect the Pope that they find nothing objectionable in the dissent from this member of their Theological Advisory Group.

http://www.roehampton.ac.uk/staff/Tina-Beattie/

http://www.roehampton.ac.uk/Digby_Stuart_Research_Centre_for_Catholic_Studies.aspx

 

39 comments to Concerning Prof. Tina Beattie, Catholic, theologian, pro-abortion,and pro-gay marriage

  • Paul Smyth

    With Bishop Conry all things are possible but with Bishop Arnold one is surprised but only mildly.
    More worrying is that the degrees of the Beda, a Pontifical Seminary, are granted by Roehampton University,
    http://www.bedacollege.com/beda_community.html rather than a Roman University.
    That might explain the Beda’s Rector’s unorthodox approach to issues like the ordination of women and the Magisterium in general.

  • Independent

    There is about all these impressive titles and institutions a whiff of Prof Jimmie Edwards. They may sound impressive but what do they mean? What do they signify in the academic marketplace?

  • Fr Francis Marsden

    The solution is quite simple. The Church should follow its own laws properly.

    Canon 833, Nos. 5-8 obliges the following to make the profession of faith: vicars general, episcopal vicars and judicial vicars; “at the beginning of their term of office, pastors, the rector of a seminary and the professors of theology and philosophy in seminaries; those to be promoted to the diaconate”; “the rectors of an ecclesiastical or Catholic university at the beginning of the rector’s term of office”; and, “at the beginning of their term of office, teachers in any universities whatsoever who teach disciplines which deal with faith or morals”; and “superiors in clerical religious institutes and societies of apostolic life in accord with the norm of the constitutions.”

    Note that this is not just for priests or laity teaching in seminary. It is for all Catholics who lecture in “disciplines which deal with faith or morals….in any universities whatsoever.”

    The Oath of Fidelity begins with the Nicene Creed. Then the person taking it has to add:

    “With firm faith, I also believe everything contained in the Word of God, whether written or handed down in Tradition, which the Church, either by a solemn judgement or by the ordinary and universal Magisterium, sets forth to be believed as divinely revealed.

    I also firmly accept and hold each and everything definitively proposed by the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals.

    Moreover, I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act.”

    Which certainly includes Catholic teaching on the family and sexuality.

    Tina Beattie should be asked to renounce her heterodox opinions and take the Oath of Fidelity, or else be told that she cannot teach theology as a Catholic. Why should she deprive of a good post and salary someone who actually does hold to Catholic teaching, when she does not?
    Why should she be allowed to mislead her students, and abuse her privileged position to undermine the Catholic Faith?

    An honest person who ceased to believe in the Church’s teaching would resign such a post and go and teach as a Protestant in some Protestant faculty. As the Pope remarked recently, however, Judas remained with the apostles, though he had ceased to believe in Jesus, as an act of deception and vengeance.

  • Michael B Rooke

    Prof. Beattie would seem to be recycling the view that sometimes embryos “spontaneously abort”.

    “As many as one in four pregnancies may spontaneously abort during the first eight weeks of pregnancy, often without the woman knowing that she was pregnant”

    If we believe that a consistent God made a consistent universe that statement cannot be true.

    What may have seemed a pregnancy was not, because if all of the biological clockwork were in place it could not have happened. There was a rejection by the body of an incomplete template. Incomplete templates are not embryos.

  • spesalvi23

    Corrupted by tradition!? Huh?
    Subordination? Just ask German men of nealry every age about subordination – I think their response might not suit Ms. Beattie’s agenda much. ;-) Poor guys don’t have it easy nowadays…

    I just don’t understand why such people don’t join some kind of protestant social club – most of them fulfill all demanded requirements.

  • buckle

    The Beda students were conspicuous at Oscott during the papal visit by the absence of clerical dress – they all looked like turf accountants. Rather than show respect for the supreme pontiff and their future calling, they were forced to worship the “Strange ideas of Rod Modernist”.

  • John Paul Ng

    A countryman was frightened to return to Beda College, Rome this year where he is studying for priesthood.
    Last year one student almost killed by another there in a drunken fight. His jaw was dislocated, his skull fractured, his life and his sight was almost lost.
    It seems like a very bad place.

    • Deacon Nick

      John Paul Ng, these are very serious allegations, which if true, must be known by the victim’s bishop. Do you know what action has been taken by the bishop regarding this alleged attack on the seminarian? What action was taken by Beda College?Deacon Nick

      • A Priest Abroad

        I can confirm JP Ng’s story, it was the talk of English speaking community in Rome last Academic Year. The victim was I believe a Friar of the Atonement, the perpetrator an Australian seminarian from the diocese of Kearns, Australia.
        The Rector seems to have done his best keep this matter out of the courts and out of the press. The Beda is quite an enclosed community, “what happens in house stays in house”.
        I think quite a few seminarians might well be reticent about returning. Drink and violence I get the impression are part of the culture of this particular college which is many senses, not just geographically, on the outskirts of Roman seminary life

        • PlainJohn

          “what happens in house stays in house”….I have a horrible feeling we have been here before with the child abuse scandal!!

          • buckle

            There is not a whisper on the web about this. Anyone know what happened to Aussie?

            I was given to believe that the Beda was for mature students well that’s a joke. It’s staggering that the police have not been involved or a “Damian Thompson” has not run with the story.

        • Student

          Can you confirm it? Or are you just telling us that there was gossip?

        • buckle

          I found out the victim’s identity in less than 30 seconds. It’s actually “Cairns” in Australia although I found no vocation’s information on their website. I know that about 5 years ago a student from our diocese was physically threatened at Ushaw. Not helped by the fact that the ‘victim’ was totally ill-suited to seminary life a point no doubt made to him by his would be attacker but all the same … I heard a heavy drinking culture also existed at Ushaw.

          • Beda Man

            (A reply to more than one element of this thread.)

            If people are going to be critical about my seminary then I would be grateful if, at least, you would get your facts straight.

            – An absence of clerical dress does not make someone in a suit at a meeting at Oscott look like a “turf accountant” – grow up, don’t be so arrogant or so small minded. And don’t you dare ascribe to Beda men a particular attitude towards the Pope, when you have utterly no information about this – regardless of your attitude towards the Rector. If you need a cassock to express your identity or you think Pope Benedict would judge someone solely on that basis then I think that is a great shame.
            – We study on a degree programme at St Mary’s University College. This is not Roehampton University although there is a degree of common origin in terms of the religious sisters who came to the area in the 19th century. We are a Pontifical College and that degree programme proves suitable for the wide range of people we have at the College, where there are a couple of dozen nationalities represented and many seminarians who do not have university degrees when they arrive. In any case, many of us also attend the Angelicum for part of the time.
            – Drink and violence are not part of the culture of The Pontifical Beda College, I can assure you. We are all men who are coming to the Church later in life and we do this with a great deal of sober reflection and well-considered discernment. We don’t just drift into the formation process but we do it after real, useful experience of life and an understanding of how our personal vocation might be able to serve the Church and its people where it is most needed.
            – If you are going to make statements about an incident about which you have no knowledge beyond rumour then you should be extremely careful. It’s easy for you to write that the assault that occurred was perpetrated by a seminarian from the Diocese of Cairns. However, Cairns Diocese currently has just one seminarian, he is the first one for 15 years and he is at The Beda – but he did **NOT** commit any act of violence of any sort against anyone. However, by your throw-away remark you have to all intents and purposes identified him as a wrong-doer who has committed a serious criminal offence. That is extremely grave libel. Surely you know how mud sticks when it comes to accusations against people inside the Church?

            All of us at the Beda were utterly shocked at the fact that one of our number turned out to be a square peg in a round hole, to say the least, and was simply of completely the wrong temperament for formation. I can’t say how he was selected for the Beda and I also know very little about the follow up with regard to the police or the media. However, I do know that this kind of thing is – well, was – unknown at the Beda.

            As for the Beda itself and the tendency for many people to rather look down on us and make all sorts of off-hand remarks: well, we have heard it all before. What I can say, however, is that nearly every man who starts at the Beda is ordained and nearly every one of those remains in ministry for the rest of their life. It can’t all be bad.

  • Veritas

    I was shocked to read Paul Smyth’s comment: “More worrying is that the degrees of the Beda, a Pontifical Seminary, are granted by Roehampton University.”

    So I checked out the Beda College website which says: “In September 2010 the College began a new programme of collaboration with St Mary’s University College, Twickenham, London ( http://www.smuc.ac.uk ). Academic awards from the Beda will be conferred by St Mary’s University College.”

    Professor Tina does not teach at St Mary’s University College, Twickenham.

    However another of the signatories of the letter to The Times supporting same-sex “marriage” is a member of the Theology faculty there. I do hope that the Rector of the Beda is aware of this.

  • Thank you, Protect the Pope. And that is only half the story on this woman. I once received a posting from a woman complaining that a Philomena Cullen had been posted from Caritas to a job as chaplain to the Irish Society in Britain. She was pointing out the new teaching which she shared with Tina Beattie that Christ did not like families. Their proof is his rejection of people who loved their fathers and mothers more than they did Him. Jeus was therefore anti-family. By the way did you notice that when the Pope visited us he was directed to Roehampton to see how well we do things in our Catholic Colleges? Remember how the pupils stated they were going to show their Catholic Faith by being successful scientists, successful lawyers, etc. The Pope contradicted and said if they wanted to show their Catholic Faith they should become saintly scientists, saintly lawyers, et. Unless you have heard that holiness is about doing things well and achieving according to modernists this will not make sense to you.

    My diocese supports Roehampton and advertises its courses on its website. But then I live in the Portsmouth Diocese.

  • Mike2

    Does Prof. Beattie have the right “as a Catholic to ….. doubt such fundamental and sensitive doctrines of Faith”? I thought it was ok to question, as in ‘ask for an explanation’, but that it was necessary at all times to accept everything that the Church teaches. I don’t fully understand what ‘consubstantial’ means and I don’t understand how Christ can be fully man and fully divine at the same time but I totally accept these doctrines because the Church teaches them.
    About 500 years ago a certain gentleman in Germany decided that he could not agree with a number of Church doctrines. When the Church made it clear that it would not change its doctrines the gentleman did the next honest thing (the most honest would have been to accept that he was wrong) and left the Church. Should not all these modern dissenters do one or the other?

  • JosephMatthew

    I wonder if Tina Beattie has even heard of those great nuns, Sisters Digby and Stuart, who made this college a once great Catholic institution. Beattie is apparently a recent convert who has made herself an expert on all things Catholic. An expert she most certainly is not.

  • Teacher training colleges as a university? Whoda thunk it? A twit as a professor? Natural progression. The only people who would take La Beattie seriously are fellow numpties.

  • I don’t know much about the individuals involved, but on reading about this ‘catholic’ i am reminded of a prominent american lady who also apparently calls herself a catholic but publicly scandalises the faithfully by representing her personal, very anti-Catholic views as consistent with being an active member of the Church. What’s her name…? Nancy Leprosi, or something.

    I am also reminded about a post Father Z put out about this recently in relation to code 915 in Canon Law (http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/09/pelosi-can-915-pelosi-can-915-pelosi-can-915/). Should we not be enquiring whether or not our Bishops (or the relevant ones anyway) ought to invoke canon 915 in the case of those who consistently, publicly bring scandal upon the Church and lead the faithful away from the truth?

  • returntotruth

    Give them all: Beattie, the Beda, those who signed the letter to the Times and all who poision
    the truth 100 days to repent and amend their ways or suffer the full rigors of church discipline, even
    excommunication, which is itself a most terrible discipline, with which the Church, I know doesn’t like to use, but must use out of love for all these souls and their eternal well being. The fact that the Beda is getting its degrees conferred by Roehampton is a suprise; what next the Greg or Angelicum?
    What we need is more appointments of bishops of the calibre of Lancaster, Portsmouth and not forgetting the great example of Bishop Davies. May we in Ireland get similar appointments soon.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    I have said previously that the letter to the Times was dishonest as it clearly quoted Cardinal Hume out of context giving the opposite to what he actually said. To do this seems to me to call into question the integrity of anyone who claims some academic status. However I would like to add that the letter was also a gross slur on the reputation of Cardinal Hume in trying to make out that he would support same-sex marriage.

  • Patrick Fahey

    We await leadership from the hierarchy to take the correct action in this situation, if no action is taken then we must assume the Church leaders are in sympathy with views expressed through this ‘catholic’ institution?

  • Paul Waddington

    I would recommend writing to Archbishop Smith. Roehampton is in his patch.

  • Does anyone know if Catholic parishes in England and Wales are actually obliged to support CAFOD? I mean, what would be the likely outcome of my refusal to support it? I have long had unhappy “feelings” about CAFOD and this latest information suggest we should not support it. There are other Catholic associations and charities that help the poor (e.g. The Little Way). I suppose I could ask Eccleston Square about this but, somehow, I doubt that I would get a reasonable answer

    • Deacon Nick

      Fr John, I know parishes who no longer support CAFOD, and instead give to Mary’s Meals. I used to give monthly to CAFOD but now support Mary’s Meals and Aid to the Church in Need. I do occasionally give one-off donations to CAFOD, for instance their recent water campaign which had matched funding from the government. The reason why I still give one-off donations to CAFOD is I don’t think people living in poverty should suffer because of the dissent and disloyalty of individuals associated with the Development Agency of the Bishop’s Conference of England and Wales. When I make donations to CADFOD I either make explicit what the money is for or say it must not be used for. Deacon Nick

  • Thanks for that reply. You are right, of course.

  • Diff

    Prof. Beattie’s ‘Trinitarian personhood argument for abortion’ just goes to show that a poor philosophical grounding leads to duff theology. Had Prof. Beattie even the slightest hint of an understanding of the perennial philosophy which supports catholic theology(esp. of the Trinity) she would know that the relational dimension in any Being is accidental to its being/existence,  not essential to it. That is, first God/the Godhead exists and by existing, the three persons exists in relation not the other way around. Likewise but in a finite, material, and temporal way a child exists substantially before he/she can have a relation to anything, even their mother.

    And I’m not surprised that the ‘ethicists’ prof. Beattie consults would make such a basic error in their understanding of Catholic theology. 

  • Mark Thorne

    Dear Deacon Nick,

    Thank you for your last post. I have a monthly direct debit set up with CAFOD, but I must admit I haven’t felt entirely comfortable about this for a while – I may switch to Mary’s Meals, and thank you for the suggestion. Incidentally, there was a very very thought-provoking response from Fr. Tim Finigan in the “Catholic Dilemmas” column of a recent issue of the Catholic Herald concerning proper discernment of which charities ought to be conscientiously supported, and that spontaneous giving to street appeals may not be as strong a demonstration of authentic charity as one may suppose.

  • Ioannes

    Does the egregious Tina Beattie have a missio canonica to practise as a Catholic theologian? Hans Kung had his withdrawn in 1979 and he was less heterodox then than she is now. As well as being far more intelligent. As for St Mary’s Twickenham it is at present undergoing investgation for issuing what amounts to bogus degrees.

  • buckle

    What Beda Man or any other college members think of the Pope or what the Pope thinks of them is of interest to nobody. What is of interest to the laity is the appearance of these students in front of the Pope. Through no fault of their own they were made to look ridiculous by their rector and then Beda Man wonders about the college selection policy?

    Beda Man is making all sorts of accusations here. It’s evident that rumours are circulating around this incident which is inevitable given the lack of information. It would appear that even the English speaking community within Rome is misinformed including the author himself so what chance the rest of us?

    Lastly, could we have an update on the health of the beaten student at the very least?

  • Beda Man

    I really don’t think anyone looks “ridiculous” by being in a suit rather than a cassock, even if it might have been better had there not been that inconsistency. As for the selection process it involves not only the College itself, of course.

    I didn’t intend to be making accusations, as such, but really only to reject rather firmly some of what had been written above. As you say, rumours are circulating and I was concerned about the story taking on a life of its own; in particular, I was extremely concerned about the incorrect reference to the Diocese of Cairns that, in effect, clearly identified a specific seminarian.

    The chap in question seems to be doing well, I am glad to say.

  • Veritas

    I have only just read the earlier posting by Beda Man ofSeptember 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm.

    “As for the Beda itself and the tendency for many people to rather look down on us and make all sorts of off-hand remarks: well, we have heard it all before. What I can say, however, is that nearly every man who starts at the Beda is ordained and nearly every one of those remains in ministry for the rest of their life. It can’t all be bad.”

    This is certainly true of the priests I know who studied at the Beda. And I suspect that the main reason is that the men who study at the Beda are mature men who made a mature, considered decision to offer themselves as candidates for the priesthood.

    As for comments about clerical dress, well there is a well known Italian saying: “L’abito non fa il monaco.” The habit does not make the monk. And I seem to remember a well known itinerant preacher from 1st century Galilee warning his listeners not to judge by appearances.

    Furthermore I am quite certain that Pope Benedict would not have taken the slightest bit of offense at Oscott. He has been around for quite some time and he more than most knows how fashions change. Anyone with a few minutes to spare can easily discover that in the 1960′s Fr Ratzinger usually wore a suit and tie (shock, horror!) when he was lecturing at the Gregorian University.

    So thank you Beda Man for putting the record straight. Most seminaries occasionally find that someone temperamentally unsuitable for formation has been sent there by the misjudgement of a bishop or religious superior. It certainly does not reflect badly either on the seminary concerned or the fine men there who are offering their lives for the service of God and His Church.

  • Beda Man

    And thanks to you, Veritas. Unfortunately – or perhaps fortunately – the Church is only ultimately a bunch of varyingly normal people and it’s far from perfect. The Beda certainly isn’t perfect! But it’s not so bad either.

    • Veritas

      You’re welcome!

      There have been only two sinless people on this planet: Our Lord and His Blessed Mother. The rest of us need God’s grace to keep on the straight & narrow – and to help us back onto the straight and narrow when we fail. You and your fellow students at The Beda are offering your lives to be conduits of God’s grace. Thank you – all of you – for your generosity in offering your lives in His service.

      As for the brickbacks, I offer two Latin mottos:
      1. Nil carborundum (Army pseudo-Latin!)
      2. Per ardua ad astra (RAF motto)

      Finally a story I heard in Rome in 1978 about Hans Kung being approached by a couple of liberal Cardinals before the Conclave ;-)

      Apparently these Cardinals wanted to elect Hans Kung as Pope – but weren’t sure whether he would accept either the nomination or (if all went well) the election.

      So they decided to send him a telegram before the Conclave began. No emails or mobile phones in those days of course.

      “Dear Professor Kung, we are great admirers of your theological writings both in books and in Consilium. We think that you would make a wonderful Pope and we would like to vote for you and encourage other Cardinals to do so as well. But before the Conclave begins we need to know whether you would accept this position.”

      They then hurried to the Vatican Post Office and sent the telegram.

      Ten minutes later a Vatican official from the Post Office rushed into the Hotel Cardinale on the Via Conciliazione where they were staying – red in the face and out of breath.

      He handed them the reply – in an envelope marked “Urgentissimo”.

      With trembling hands they tore open the envelope and then read the telegram.

      It said:

      “Dear Cardinal X,
      Thank you for your kind message. I am most gratified that there are at least some Cardinals still alive who have not been brainwashed by the Vatican Curia and who are intelligent enough and sufficiently well educated in the Theological Sciences to recognise my great merits. Sadly Paul VI failed to replace the arch-conservatives of the Curia and reform the Electoral College by replacing the Cardinals with the Editorial Boards and Boards of Directors of Consilium and The Tablet. However I must inform you that I would not under any circumstances be prepared to accept the office of the Bishop of Rome – because as I am sure you must be well aware, if I were to be appointed to that post I would not be infallible any more.
      Yours sincerely,
      Hans Kung.”

  • buckle

    This Kung anecdote is neither amusing nor informative which seems to sum up his views and followers.

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  • Middle class academia snobbery just leaves the working classes again wondering why is it that a poor itinerant preacher from Galilee who loved so many found so few friends among the powerful and the rich? It was the Anawim who followed and believed not the so called academic powerful who controlled their lives and told them what to practice and what to believe and how to live. The sooner the institutional church is abolished and replaced by real prophetic leaders from those leeches who like to have their hands kissed in public and wear rich clothes while paying lip service to the real struggles many face in their dailt lives instead of canon laws and out dated theological discussions the better for all of us who can just hope and pray for their conversion to the real world and the real good news that Jesus brought us- which is to love each other as we love ourselves (and our falsehood livlihoods) Up the Anawim.

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