How do we live in a Church compromised by heretics?

There’s no getting away from the fact that we are living in a period when the Church is compromised by the presence of heretics who are actively promoting falsehoods about the Faith.

By heretic I’m not referring to those Catholics who hold heretical beliefs without realizing it due to impoverished catechesis, but those Catholics, such as clergy, religious, academics, politicians, teachers and catechists, who defiantly promote objective heresy for whatever reason, be it pride, will to power, and even hatred of the Church’s teaching.

The reason why the Church is being compromised by these heretics is that for unfathomable reasons the hierarchy is not only tolerating the activity of heretics, but in some local churches even promoting them to positions of influence within the Church and providing them with public platforms to promote their heresy.  We have the scandalous spectacle of  Catholic theologians and politicians promoting falsehoods about abortion, homosexuality, contraception, stem-cell research, etc.  Some theologians even falsely employ concepts from the Church’s doctrine to justify the most appalling immorality, such as early abortion and homosexual acts.

The reason I describe the Church as compromised is that the presence of these prominent heretics and the failure of the hierarchy to take canonical actions against them means that other Catholics are being corrupted by their falsehoods and hatred for the Church.  Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have both highlighted the dangers of relativism to the apprehension of objective and absolute truth.  The fact that the hierarchy tolerates a ‘plurality of truths’ corrupts and diminishes the capacity of the faithful to apprehend the binding nature of the Deposit of Faith.  The apostolic faith has been reduced to being just one truth among many truths in the Catholic Church.

A few questions arise:

  • How do Catholics who strive to be faithful and loyal to the Deposit of Faith and the authority of the Magisterium live in a Church so thoroughly compromised by heretics?
  • How do we continue to make the sacrifices, sometimes at great personal cost, necessary to remain obedient to the truth when heretics are tolerated and heresy flourishes?
  • How do we continue to live in a local Church that stigmatizes and ostracizes faithful and loyal Catholics who defend the Deposit of Faith, while at the same time tolerating and protecting heretics?
  • How do we remain patient and biddable when heresy flourishes and nothing is being done?

I invite the readers of Protect the Pope to join me in finding answers to these questions.

 

 

 

38 comments to How do we live in a Church compromised by heretics?

  • Joseph Matthew

    The first thing is asking God to grant us the grace to stay in our true home which is the Church. I remember being very attracted by the Eastern Orthodox Church and its wonderful liturgy, the same Church that tolerates contraception and divorce. Then I realized that Catholic Church is indeed the One True Church.Don’t let em drive us away.

  • Sixupman

    My previous abode was in the Clifton Diocese which emulated the CofE in that my parish could be termed “Low Church” and priests appointed thereto of the same ilk. I have heard preached anti-Magisterium twaddle; criticism of BXVI; pro ‘Lay-led’ church; and, a description of The Eucharist as mind-bending.

    I have been acquainted with a bishop, now retired, who also promoted a ‘Lay-led’ church and he an ex-rector of a seminary. Actually, his diocese disintegrated.

    The position is dire.

  • amator Dei

    What you call “heresy” is raising questions about things that can be questioned. We all want the Church to be true to itself, but we all have our own take on what that should mean. The Pope does this just as much as anyone else. If you cannot live with the inevitable questions, perhaps you should go off and found your own purer than pure Church. The trouble is that sooner or later one of your co-religionists would be bound to start questioning your orthodoxy. You can never win that game, so you might as well stay with the imperfect frustrating all too human Church which is the only one we have. Faith in God, rather than having everything your way, is what will enable you to do that.

  • Just a thought on the basis of your set of four questions. I am not certain that those who cling to orthodoxy should be “sacrificial” or “biddable” – I think that those two words are pivotal to your overall questions.
    For too long orthodox Catholics have laboured under the ‘obedience’ element but, surely, we should not be obedient to heresy, indifference, internal persecution and so on.
    All heresy within the Faith should be challenged but challenged with charity.
    What we should not do is sit on our hands.
    Thank you for an excellent post.

  • Roatnev

    First of all, let me thank you Deacon Nick. Your blog is excellent, very informative and asks some hard questions that we really do need to answer if the faith is to live on for future generations.

    Now please correct me if I’m wrong. To be Catholic is to believe in the one, universal faith. We have a duty (whatever our personal misgivings or doubts) to proclaim the Gospel as the Church teaches it, not according to our personal likes and dislikes. I think that this modernism and “cherry picking” morals and beliefs is infecting the Church in a way the Protestant reformers never could.

    As part of modernism comes political correctness, a refusal to say or teach things that go against our secular “all inclusive society” (which reveals its true colours in the face of reasoned argument). The Church is so desperate to appear inclusive and all encompassing that it is afraid to challenge or even mention heresy. I think “Catholics” like Tina Beattie, Tony Blair and “Catholic papers” such as the Tablet should be given the opportunity to repent, explanations given to them as what the Church teaching is. I am reluctant to call for excommunications but I do not see how else the Church can deal with people who deliberately and knowingly distort the Gospel.

    We (collectively) need to challenge heresy and do all we can to raise it. The Soho Masses, for example (that I had no idea existed until reading this blog) are nothing less than blasphemous. If clergy are complicit then they too are guilty and it needs to be “taken higher” so to speak. I understand your frustrations about being ostracised for defending the true faith. People label me an extremist, intolerant and “from medieval times” all the time for the Church’s teaching on marriage, contraception, abortion, male clergy etc. However such accusers usually lose their voice when actually challenged with the Catechism.

    Heresy is not an easy thing to rid the Church of but with God’s help we can and will.

  • Rifleman819

    Deacon Nick ,

    We need to re-brand our thinking on this.The heresy chasers throughout the Church’s history have always had a bad , negative “press”.Let’s totally turn the tables…we simply laud orthodoxy…LOUD AND CLEAR.

    Next we isolate these deluded people-deny them any premises, communications and platforms…exclude them from the structures of the church. All they amount to is actually a disparate grouping – being negative themselves about the Church , so why should their tantrums be indulged?………so being put without(in the sense of outside)the organisation they deride…they are nothing.We confront them, we take the fight to the enemy…for that is what they are.

    Our hierarchy in the main (with honourable exceptions) are simply not up to the job.They lack backbone.But they are slowly retiring.

    Replace them with men of a younger vigour and higher intellectual calibre.Here I would for a moment suggest a policy culled from universities with outside vice-chancellors-where a hard-nosed Kiwi/Aussie, or South African/Canadian is parachuted in by Rome (remember we are the Universal Church)with dynamism , the orthodoxy and charisma and leadership skills to revitalise a lacklustre diocese.These new bishops are not incardinated to make friends-they are brought in to carry out the Holy Father’s vision and will for the Church.
    We need to ensure that we re-catechise our older teenagers/young adults/undergraduates-explicitly for the hard decades ahead. If our own Archbishops are not up to the job -then the Nuncio reports back to Rome.

    We need to grow links with the Order of Malta in every diocese and network vigorously with active, traditionally minded Catholic professional people who will combat heretical praxis in each diocese.E and W needs centres of orthodox re-evangelisation for Religious and laity-where the teaching is standardised , systematised and coherent.

    Ultmately it is Leadership at all levels that will count.I feel we don’t have much time to get our house in order. Our external enemies won’t give us that luxury-those who wish to leave the Barque of St Peter can have their tickets freely stamped if they wish …but they should not be allowed to hitch a dishonest cruise with Vatican Liners.
    For the Catholic Church or against it….that is the choice.

  • Anthony Dickinson

    Deacon Nick, I wish you and your family and happy and holy Christmas-tide.

    May I say what an excellent reflection to end the year on and may I offer my three suggestions:
    Prayer, penance and almsgiving.

    It’s very difficult to change the world and sometimes we find ourselves very alone – even amongst close family and friends.

    A peaceful and trouble-free New Year for us all, when hopefully the Truth will strangle the heresy that blights the Church.

    A little long bt nevertheless my wish for us all from Alfred Lord Tennyson

    Ring out, wild bells, to the wild sky,
    The flying cloud, the frosty light;
    The year is dying in the night;
    Ring out, wild bells, and let him die.

    Ring out the old, ring in the new,
    Ring, happy bells, across the snow:
    The year is going, let him go;
    Ring out the false, ring in the true.

    Ring out the grief that saps the mind,
    For those that here we see no more,
    Ring out the feud of rich and poor,
    Ring in redress to all mankind.

    Ring out a slowly dying cause,
    And ancient forms of party strife;
    Ring in the nobler modes of life,
    With sweeter manners, purer laws.

    Ring out the want, the care, the sin,
    The faithless coldness of the times;
    Ring out, ring out thy mournful rhymes,
    But ring the fuller minstrel in.

    Ring out false pride in place and blood,
    The civic slander and the spite;
    Ring in the love of truth and right,
    Ring in the common love of good.

    Ring out old shapes of foul disease,
    Ring out the narrowing lust of gold;
    Ring out the thousand wars of old,
    Ring in the thousand years of peace.

    Ring in the valiant man and free,
    The larger heart the kindlier hand;
    Ring out the darkness of the land,
    Ring in the Christ that is to be.

  • Greetings Deacon Nick, I attend a Catholic church where the grip of liberalism has literally strangled the Faith to a point where it is now effectively an anglican church. Problems include the most devout having to leave the parish (there are numerous examples), bullying of those who wish to be prayerful in church, Catholic images are taken down if they appear (i.e. Sacred Heart), a lack of belief in the ultimate truths of the Catholic Church, those who agree all aspects of ‘the Call to Action, disdain for the Pope, new people to the church never returning, bullying of past priests who dared to state Gospel truths, and worst of all all sorts of lies about the Catholic faith spoken in front of the less catechised and the young. Finally, two of us turned up and said enough was enough. This is what we did:

    1. Every time a heresy is spoken in public these people are always challenged without exception. They are always clearly told that they are speaking heretically and that their lies are damaging the young Catholics within the Church. We then correctly catechise them (needless to say they do not like this, but they are slowly getting the message that they are not chasing us out of the Church).

    2. We actively chat with those members of the congregation who are less catechised and get them talking about their Faith and gently show them that there is more to the Catholic Church than is being shown within the parish.

    3. We chat with those who have been in the Church for years who have had their Faith repressed, because of the poor state of the parish. This has wonderful effects because many have not spoken about their Catholicism for years and as you speak to them you can literally see them opening up about the Faith and they become re-invigorated. We have even had men open up about what aspects of the Faith bring them to tears.

    4. We have personally taken responsibility for hiring mini-buses and taking the kids on a genuine pilgrimage to Walsingham (something which has never happened). This also had the effect of re-catechising the youth catechists who seemed to know little about their Faith.

    5. We have fostered fellowship for those who are interested in their Catholicism (rather than those who have a disdain for it). This way we keep it all positive. We have and are in the process of organising dinners and events (all done properly and not cutting corners so that everyone has a good experience). We organise events around Catholic themes and use every opportunity to Catechise.

    6. Ultimately this fellowship is leading into pilgrimages, bible study, and spiritual events for those who want to be genuinely Catholic.

    Some of the above might seem obvious but we are having to actually lead those in the parish into fellowship to get them to the point so that they will trust us to draw them in to the deeper truths of the Church.

    It was proceeded by nearly one years ‘hard core’ intercession. It is a heavy weight to have to carry, but every time I think that I do not want to do anything to bring about a Catholic re-genesis of our Church I think of the Martyrs who had to suffer far more than myself.

    My experience is that when things hit rock bottom in a church then you have to start right at the bottom and literally dig the church out of it with serious intercession, fasting, and shear hard work. We do not always get it right, but we keep plugging away.

    In summary: there are no short cuts and it is seriously hard work requiring serious patience. After all, you have battle Satan’s influence over the Church, to eradicate the liberal stain, and he does not give up easily.

  • Michael

    I can answer your question as a graduate from a theology program in the early 90s. It was “trendy” to demonstrate one’s theological “smarts” by being fashionably critical of the Church among both students and faculty. It ts worse at the doctoral level. Pride. Pride. And finally, pride.

  • Simon

    Answer to all the questions. Please stop constantly perceiving yourself as a victim. Be tolerant of others, embrace them. Live in the real world, not the protected world you would seem to want.

    • Rifleman819

      Simon ,
      Er,actually no.To ensure our individual eternal life we do the exact opposite.

      The Magisterium of the church is the overarching lighthouse in this transient and choppy sea of life.
      None of the quasi-heretical groupings in the church today under the age of 68 has any adult experience of the times of Vatican 2. You have to be 47 years old even to have had a secondhand knowledge of those times.
      It is hugely ironical that those critical of the Holy Father appear unaware that he was (unlike them) at the epicentre of the Council Oct 1962- Dec 1965 as a rising young theologian.The Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit chose Josef Ratzinger to wear the Fisherman’s Ring, not Hans Kung. And the latter has never forgiven him.
      Those who are heretics in the true sense (Gk: hairetikos)…are those who know better but pick and choose and more worryingly …lead others astray.
      The Catholic church never was, is, nor ever will be a democracy.It took a Roman centurion to perceive that….a Gentile of Gentiles (Matt 8.8).
      The Church’s sole existence, sole reason for being is the salvation of souls.
      But in a spirit of charity as Catholics we understand the struggles of those who may be poorly catechised but the teaching of the church remains.
      Those who cannot remain should perhaps leave.Those who would like to remain as cuckoos in the nest are plainly three things-disloyal, disobedient and ultimately,dishonest
      The present chaotic state of the Church of England is a terrible warning.It is so tolerant it doesn’t know if it is Wednesday, Monday or Saturday.

      A little lesson from history: Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the church door at Wittenberg on 31st Oct 1517.He defied the Pope and the church=hero to many north German Catholics.

      Only 8 years later he had to confront the horrid reality of what he had unleashed-the German peasantry had taken him at his word and decided on a revolt against their feudal masters.Luther responded with a tract “Against the murdering , thieving hordes of peasants”-May 1525.Not so nice ,then.

      If you lead divergent groups …you think you are in control….but…look what happens?

      Christ has given his Holy Church and the present reigning Pope…the Authority to bind the Faithful together.
      In the end Simon …you don’t define the rules.The wider Church does.

    • Lynda

      It is precisely the facing of reality that is under discourse. A Catholic well-educated in the Faith would know this and its significance.

  • Jonathan Marshall

    Deacon Nick,

    We must simply persevere, and be absolutely unrelenting in presenting our support for the one true faith. Not by being noisily Pharisaical, but just by being quietly faithful; giving others an example (however flawed we ourselves may be) of what we believe – and where necessary pointing out, charitably but confidently, when things are going astray.

    Not easy, in today’s ‘Church of Nice’, but it’s got to be done.

    • Rifleman819

      Jonathan,

      A wise set of words here.
      We need to be quietly inspirational as you suggest.
      The church is gradually recovering itself and now realising it needs cohesion and discipline in order to preserve our faith internally and to be ready to fight our corner in the outside world.
      The context in the next few years will not be benign and our enemies have never signed up to the genera convention nor to the marquess of queensbury rules.
      Doing well in the media war will be crucial.

  • Michael Petek

    First, believe that God always intervenes to save His people.

    Second, name these heretics and denounce them.

    How do we continue to live in a local Church that stigmatizes and ostracizes faithful and loyal Catholics who defend the Deposit of Faith, while at the same time tolerating and protecting heretics?

    My answer is, do what the German Army did when confronted with an obstacle. Go around it.

  • Sam Morton

    I think the only answer is that we love The Church, and we believe that The Church is The One, True Faith.

  • frances_94

    I totally agree – except that you should have specified that it is only stem-cell research involving human embryos that is evil.

    Catholics of my age (18) have been brought up in a world where abortion, homosexuality and contraception have all been seen as mainstream, responsible, and socially acceptable and could not even comprehend a world where these things were illegal or unavailable. Although in Catholic schools we are taught from the textbook that these things are wrong, it is apparent that many of the teachers don’t believe this is the case, as they can’t or won’t defend the Church’s Faith i.e RE lessons are always Question & Answer and debating sessions so when pupils ask questions lots of grey areas open up which the teachers either don’t have an adequate answer for, or have a heretical answer for, and so give a clear impression that they themselves don’t believe it, thereby invalidating all of our moral teaching. This allows the pupils to feel that they aren’t being a bad Catholic for ignoring ‘what the Church believes’. For instance most of the girls I went to school with have been on the Pill since they were about 15 or 16. They go on the Pill because during PSHE lessons we are told that this is best, and you are made to believe that you are irresponsible if you are not on it – the assumption is made that all of the boys and girls in the class are sexually active (or will be in the near future). My view that abortion is murder was always tolerated at school (as an acceptable alternative), but I was always attacked for my views on homosexuality, and called a homophobe.It is also horrible going to Mass on a Sunday and knowing that many of the teenage servers and/or extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion are positively in favour of all these things (and sleeping with their boyfriends or girlfriends). They believe that it is ok because Jesus told us to love one another, so they are just displaying this.(Pupils are encouraged to be Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion around my way from about age 14/15). Many of these young people are also encouraged to be faith-sharing leaders, simply because they still go to Mass and are engaged in liturgical functions.

    I think the bishop of each Diocese should appoint someone who has such a good knowledge of the Faith that they would be able to counter argue each of the pupil’s ‘what-ifs’. I also think that every priest should preach about sacrilegious Communion, as hardly anyone in my age group has ever heard of this.

    Sorry for being so wordy but there is so much wrong with how Catholicism is taught in Catholic schools, it is hard to know where to start. I am very grateful to have had the Faith so thoroughly explained to me at home.

    • Lynda

      Frances, thank you for your witness to Truth. You are an inspiration; but you should not have to endure such lies from your parish and school. Those young people ought not to be receiving the Blessed Sacrament, never mind acting as EMHCs, which is a a privilege for those mature in Faith and morality (exemplars) to be exercised only in rare situations where there is an urgent need. Continue to witness. If possible, find an orthodox parish where you can worship without such abuses, and join a group of orthodox Catholics for support. God bless.

    • Fr Francis Coveney

      Dear Frances,

      Thank you for your courageous witness.

      It must take great courage to be faithful in today’s society. I don’t think things were nearly so difficult when I was growing up – although I can recall a few horrific things. But it is also good to remember that young (and not so young) people sometimes exaggerate about things they should in fact be ashamed of.

      So don’t assume people are always telling the truth. After all, if they are prepared to break the 6th Commandment they will have no compunction about lying!

      By the way, if you want to find a priest who is faithful to the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and who is based in the area where you live, please email Fr Peter Edwards who is the co-ordinator of the Confraternity for Catholic Clergy. You can find his email address if you google “Confraternity of Catholic Clergy UK”

      I also would recommend the booklet “Companion to Faith” published by the CTS and written by Deacon Nick. Lots of good stuff in it.

      Finally (assuming you live in the UK), I suggest you might like to get in touch with Youth2000 or the Faith Movement. Both of these groups and Evangelium run holiday courses for young people where you would get support both from your peer group and from priests.

      God bless you,
      Fr Francis Coveney

  • Simon

    Deacon Nick I think we need to be stronger in proclaiming the truth. In catechising our young people and explaining why we, for example, believe that the sanctity of human life is paramount. The fact is that life in communion with the one true church is liberating, far from constraining free’s us. A good example is openness to life. We need to use the tools that we are given (prayer, fasting and alms giving) to counter dangers withing and those external secular dangers. Central to this has to be catechesis. I pray that in this year of faith more will embrace the church in its fullness and inherent beauty.

  • Margaret Seymour

    I heard Deacon Nick for the first time today speaking on the radio and lapped up every word. Wonderful! I felt he was speaking for me – and SO well! I am a convert who,for nearly 40 years, suffered the banal, bad translation of the Mass I had loved. Now that our beloved Pope Benedict has restored the beautiful Mass I had thought gone for ever, there is hope,again, for the eventual return of lost reverence etc. Heresy within the Church, persecution from without, and a total lack of teaching from our Catholic schools and priests remain problems. The great Catechism is another boon but is not widely read. My most heart-felt solution would be the provision of the excellent little “Compendium” Catechism to every Catholic schoolchild and, indeed, every Catholic. It should be used as a teaching tool by Catholic teachers and priests,so that averyone is encouraged to read and understand the true teachings of the Church. The sad lack of priests could be largely due to Catholics using “the Pill” which can also act as an abortifaceant (unknown to the users),so that young priests are not allowed to be born. The worst change among many Catholics today is the mistaken belief that their own “conscience” should take precedence over Church teaching. Disobedience to the Pope turns Catholics into Protestants,so we have unofficial schism.I thank God for Deacon Nick!

  • Margaret Seymour

    Congratulations, also, on this blog. And “Protect the Pope” is the perfect title.

  • frances_94

    Sorry didn’t really answer any of your questions before.

    What I think we have to do is to draw a line between the current and future generations and make sure that these heretical views aren’t passed down (as they currently are being). I also think that all RE teachers in Catholic schools should have to make a detailed public Profession of Faith annually, as should everyone who has any liturgical or catechetical position in a Catholic parish. If they can’t do this then they simply shouldn’t hold those positions. If nothing else, they will at least get to understand what the Church really teaches, and that they can’t pick and choose what to believe.

    Faithful Catholics also need to stop being afraid of sounding too pious and be willing to stand up for the Faith especially by applying to become school governors and catechists.

  • Deacon Augustine

    •How do Catholics who strive to be faithful and loyal to the Deposit of Faith and the authority of the Magisterium live in a Church so thoroughly compromised by heretics?

    The Church has always been compromised by heretics to a greater or lesser degree. Ignore them and teach the truth whenever and wherever the opportunity presents itself.

    •How do we continue to make the sacrifices, sometimes at great personal cost, necessary to remain obedient to the truth when heretics are tolerated and heresy flourishes?

    That’s the cost of discipleship – we can’t say Our Lord didn’t warn us.

    •How do we continue to live in a local Church that stigmatizes and ostracizes faithful and loyal Catholics who defend the Deposit of Faith, while at the same time tolerating and protecting heretics?

    How local is “local”? If you refer to a parish, then get out for the sake of your own soul and those of your families and find a Catholic parish. If its a whole diocese which is corrupted, then that is harder to avoid geographically. Work away from within by any means possible and pray for those who are working from without. Get used to being labelled “divisive”, but that can be taken as a compliment – truth is divisive.

    •How do we remain patient and biddable when heresy flourishes and nothing is being done?

    Write to the nuncio, write to Rome, expose heretics on the internet. Infiltrate and subvert diocesan curial offices and functions – heresy can be choked off when it is starved of resources.

    Have faith that it is God’s Church – not the Pope’s or the Bishop’s – and He will sort it out in the end. Pray constantly that he will send us Catholic bishops with conviction rather than time-serving ne’r-do-wells. Have more babies to drown out their influence – heretics are never fecund.

    • Deacon Augustine

      P.S. Deacon Nick, I hope you are not one of those being “stigmatized and ostracized” for publishing this blog! I appreciate that you are sticking your head above the parapet by writing articles such as these and there are plenty of Judas’s followers within the Church who will want to take a pot at you. You are doing a great service for the Church and I hope and pray that any intimidation will not be too unbearable.

  • I don’t think there’s a single answer to this: heresy is like an octopus with tentacles in every crevice of Church life. Each of us must do what we can, where we can, to combat it. (And that means that for each of us, we need constantly to strengthen our own spiritual life so that we ensure we act from true charity rather than enjoyment of fighting.)

    But, while I recognize the real internal problems the Church has to face, as a convert, my overwhelming emotion is one of gratitude and joy. Despite everything, in the middle of a godless modern culture, we need to remember just what a miracle the Church is. Despite everything, so much goodness, wisdom and beauty remains that is worth fighting for.

  • As Catholics, our faith is with the church and our Almighty Father. Let us try to stay positive, stay faithful, and pray for all of these negative things that are happening in our church.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    Amator Dei: You wrote What you call “heresy” is raising questions about things that can be questioned. We all want the Church to be true to itself, but we all have our own take on what that should mean.

    I am afraid you are wrong. There are certain fundamental teachings of the Church e.g. those set out in the Creed. Asserting the contrary to those teachings is what most contributors to this blog regard as heresy. These fundamental teachings extend to the Magisterium. You may have difficulties with some of the teachings and humbly seek clarification and help but you do not stand up and publicly say they are nonsensical. That is giving scandal. As to us all having “our own take” then that is the road to relativism and cafeteria-style Catholicism. Of course there are things one can question such as abstinence on Fridays or particular kinds of liturgy but the essential teachings are sacrosanct and should be treated as such.

  • Just one final point Deacon Nick,

    As I said earlier it is about challenging the liberals, but also helping those who have ‘ears to hear’.

    However, what is important here is that we have something called the New Evangelisation which despite common belief is now slowly working and we are seeing seeing some solid vocations. We have Youth 2000 not pulling their punches when it comes to Catholic teaching, mortal sin, and confession. They have also brought back a sense of the sacred with adoration, particularly in relation to ‘the Burning Bush’.

    So, we have something which is finally working, but we do need hands on work on the ground because What is the point having a growing and successful New Evangelisation if these young people are forever returning to Luke Warm churches.

    Lots of people perpetually moan about the state of the church, but unless people literally ‘shut up’ and do something about it in their own church, the liberals will keep polluting the Faith for future generations.

  • Celia

    Bear witness whenever and however you can to right belief and practice (make sure you know what this is!). This can be through actions (genuflecting when entering and leaving the pew, praying for a few minutes before and after Mass) or words (never let nonsense about women priests, attendance at penitential rites being as good as confession etc go unchallenged and- this rarely goes down well- praise something the Pope or a good bishop has said.). Challenge the widespread ‘pick & mix’ assumption that caring for the poor, etc is incompatible with caring about the correct transmission of the faith or reverent behaviour in church. Don’t worry about being unpopular.

    But we need the hierarchy on our side and that is really up to the Pope: give us good, orthodox bishops, who will encourage good orthodox practice by their priests. Difficult, I know, but essential. The laity can’t do it alone.

  • J Hutchings

    Deacon Nick, I just recall Our Lady’s message at Garabandal –

    “Many Priests, Bishops, and Cardinals are on the path to perdition and they are taking many souls with them. Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist. We must ward off the wrath of God with our efforts. If you ask forgiveness sincerely with all your soul, He will forgive you……………”

  • Damask Rose

    Great comments everybody. Frances_94. Gosh. Your post at 12:48 is quite an eye-opener. Very sad. God bless you and your parents. “I am very grateful to have had the Faith so thoroughly explained to me at home.” Herein lies the answer.

    All best wishes for the New Year everybody.

  • Rifleman819

    Dear Deacon Nick,

    In order to stop having the church in E and W being compromised by heresy do we not need to carefully think how we stimulate discernment and vocations in relation to the Permanent Diaconate?
    We have 5 Archdioceses and 22 ordinaries plus the bishopric of the Forces.
    Do we need satellites of Maryvale in each Archdiocese where Catholic laity and candidates for the diaconate can be formed-with the critical mass in numbers making 5 “centres of excellence” really worthwhile?
    We use our resources to best effect and build strong networks across each Archdiocese.Men and women receive standardised, orthodox, training in being parish catechists….and also get to know their new deacons in the making.

    Within a few years you achieve a critical mass of people who know and trust each other and standardised evangelisation to a standard , as it were?

    And I am sure there are thousands of lay Catholics who are willing to roll up their sleeves for this…………but there needs to be an organisational structure at each Archdiocese so we can pool resources.

  • Thomas

    If the Church refuses to laicize heretical priests and bishops, and refuses to dismiss heretical nuns and brothers (which is really the only way to make a dent in the worldwide collapse of the faith) other options might be used. #1 All religious orders that have abandoned the faith and cannot be reformed should not be allowed to accept any new vocations – let them die out; and anyone in formation or in temporary vows should be dismissed. #2 All bishops, priests, nuns, sisters and brother must sign an oath of videlity, if they refuse they must be forbidden to teach in any Catholic institution, they cannot hold any office of authority, they cannot work in any chancery etc. they cannot present themselves as a priest or religious. #3 All lay people who teach or hold positions of authority in Church institutions must also sign an oath of fidelity or be dismissed. #3 Take immediate action on stopping all liturgical abuses in the Mass and the sacraments. Every priest in the world needs to be trained on how to correctly celebrate Mass in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite (if it is still going to be used). They need to realize they are offering a worship to God instead of trying to be a comedy performer in a lounge act in Vegas. #4 Send only the best priests and teachers to the seminaries (not the problem priests as is often the case)to give seminarians a solid foundation. #5 Catholic identity must be restored to everyday Catholic life: devotions, fasting, processions, benediction of the MBS, pride in being a Catholic. #6 We have Canon Law lets start using it and hold heretical priests, bishops and nuns to account and stop them from running wild. What working person can tell their boss that he is wrong and still expect to keep their job? This is exactly what is happening in the Church. #7 Bishops need to stop worrying about be liked by everyone and they need to stop being influenced by the culture.

  • Rifleman819

    Thomas,
    Hear Hear! Point 7 is one of the most crucial-Bishops are here to lead us and not to influenced by outside pressures.
    They have been given the Church’s authority to act as bishops but have been perhaps too timid to use it.
    Today’s news about the cessation of the Soho Masses and the new church for the Ordinariate points the way.
    Being rather mischevious -I wonder who actually came up with this rather deft plan? And who will try to claim the credit?
    A possible red hat concentrates the mind rather, doesn’t it?

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