Bishop Kieran Conry criticises the pontificate of Pope Benedict accusing him of having a negative impact

Two days after the announcement of Pope Benedict’s resignation Bishop Kieran Conry, Bishop of Arundel and Brighton and head of the Bishops Conference’s department for Evangelisation and Catechesis, criticised the pontificate of Pope Benedict in the pages of The Times newspaper.

Ruth Gledhill, the Times’ Religious correspondent reports that Bishop Conry criticised Pope Benedict on the following grounds:

The Right Rev Kieran Conry accused the Holy Father of over-centralising the Catholic Church.

‘Bishop Conry called for the centralised structure of the modern Church to be changed. “There is a need for the Roman Curia, the central administration, to be reviewed. That was not one of Pope Benedict’s strengths. It needs reviewing because it is not working very well. There seems to be a degree of centralisation that is not really necessary which might indicate that there is a degree of inefficiency. He said the consequences of centralisation, while not too serious, had been noticeable. “I don’t think it has impinged seriously here or anywhere but it just slows things down. It does not allow a degree of local autonomy which would make life easier.

The Right Rev Kieran Conry accused the Holy Father of leading the Catholic Church away from some of the reforming ideals of the Second Vatican Council:

“A return to the traditional autonomy of local bishops, a characteristic of the early Church, was one of the calls from the Second Vatican Council. The aim was that Rome should work more collaboratively with the local bishops,” Bishop Conry said. “That has not really developed.” Instead, more and more power had been gathered in at the centre, in Rome.

The Right Rev Kieran Conry accused the Holy Father of having a negative impact on many Catholics in the pews through the introduction of the new translation of the Mass

“Liturgically is where it has impacted most obviously on the lives of Mass-going Catholics,” he said. “We have a new translation of the Mass texts which was really imposed by Rome. There are bits of the translation that people are simply not happy with, words such as ‘consubstantial’ in the Creed. Before that it was ‘of one being’. “Had we been able to make local decisions we would have stuck with the original. It has not had a massive impact, but at the same time it has had an impact that is felt.”

Bishop Conry concludes by damning Pope Benedict with faint praise about his response to the crimes of child sexual abuse by Catholic priests:

“On how the Church had handled sex abuse, he said the relevant body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Ratzinger before he became Pope, had been efficient. But he added: “Perhaps being more pro-active would have been helpful. It might even have been useful to set up an office specifically for dealing with the phenomenon of clerical child abuse. At present it is done by a congregation which is busy also on other stuff.  “It might have been useful to dedicate an office to this issue and ask local churches to address the issue more forcefully and encourage victims to come forward. I also think it would be useful for the Pope’s successor to have had first hand experience of dealing with this.”

Highlights from the Right Rev Kieran Conry’s recent career as head of Evangelisation and Catechesis in England and Wales:

  • Bishop Conry has stated that his local adoption agency was right to drop the word “Catholic” from its name in order to survive after the Government legislated for gay adoption.
  • He  told priests in his diocese that they should not allow the ‘Hail Mary’ to be included at the end of the Prayers of the Faithful.
  • Bishop Conry accused Cardinal Keith O’Brien of using inflammatory language in his passionate defence of marriage against the legalisation of same-sex marriage
  • He described the faith as ‘something we’re trying to market that brings happiness, satisfaction and friendship
  • Bishop Conry criticised Pope Benedict for creating the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelisation saying to BBC Radio 4:

‘I think the Church has a problem in its own proclamation of the Gospel and you wonder why you’d set up this office for evangelisation anyway, because the whole mission of the Church  is  evangelisation, the proclamation of the Gospel. I don’t think we’re doing that terribly well.

 

Protect the Pope comment: It’s been obvious for years that Bishop Conry has been out of sympathy with Pope Benedict XVI, the successor of St Peter. But what hasn’t been clear until now is the depth of his dislike of  the Holy Father. To publicly criticise Pope Benedict in The Times two days after the announcement of his resignation, accusing the Holy Father of having a ‘negative impact on Catholics in the pews’ reveals that the Head of Evanglisation and Catechesis has a real antipathy towards Pope Benedict. Do other bishops on England and Wales share his antipathy towards the Holy Father?

 

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3688110.ece

68 comments to Bishop Kieran Conry criticises the pontificate of Pope Benedict accusing him of having a negative impact

  • Sixupman

    May God protect us from these idiots.

  • Paul Smyth

    Bishop Conry is out of sympathy with the Catholic Church. If only he will follow the Pope’s example and retire from an office he tells everyone he hates.

  • Joseph Matthew

    Firstly, a word about Ruth Gledhill. She does not much care for traditional Catholic doctrine, which is to be expected. Secondly, a word about Bishop Conry. He does not much care for traditional Catholic doctrine- which is surprising.

  • Matthew Booth

    You haven’t rebutted the Right Rev Kieran Conry’s criticisms. You’ve stated them, then ignored them whilst resorting to an ad hominem. I have no personal position either way on the Right Rev Kieran Conry’s criticisms, but then again I’m not blogging about them. What do you think, and why?

  • I also haven’t seen the full text because of the Times’ firewall. I’m not entirely sure it would be good for me, but I would just like to check that my blog post wasn’t unfair to the Bishop. Please let us know if you do get access to the complete article!

  • Michael B Rooke

    Here is a copy of the Times article.

    The Times appears to be the only source. Article published 12.29pm 14 February 2013

    “A leading Catholic bishop in Britain has criticised the direction the Vatican took under the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI.

    The Right Rev Kieran Conry, Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, said he had over-centralised the Catholic Church and led it away from some of the reforming ideals of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.

    Bishop Conry specifically highlighted the recent new Mass translation as an initiative from Rome that had had a negative impact on many Catholics in the pews.

    The comments came as the Catholic bishops of England and Wales came to terms with the fact that they will have no vote in the coming conclave.

    The only Cardinal in the province, which does not include Scotland, is Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, former Archbishop of Westmister, but he was 80 last summer, which rules him out of a seat in the conclave.

    Bishop Conry said it was not unprecedented for England and Wales to be left out in this way. It had happened at least once before. But he did not see why the existence of another living cardinal in the province meant that the present Archbishop of Westminster, Vincent Nichols, could not have been given the red hat.

    Bishop Conry called for the centralised structure of the modern Church to be changed. “There is a need for the Roman Curia, the central administration, to be reviewed. That was not one of Pope Benedict’s strengths.

    “It needs reviewing because it is not working very well. There seems to be a degree of centralisation that is not really necessary which might indicate that there is a degree of inefficiency.”

    He said the consequences of centralisation, while not too serious, had been noticeable. “I don’t think it has impinged seriously here or anywhere but it just slows things down. It does not allow a degree of local autonomy which would make life easier.

    “A return to the traditional autonomy of local bishops, a characteristic of the early Church, was one of the calls from the Second Vatican Council. The aim was that Rome should work more collaboratively with the local bishops,” Bishop Conry said. “That has not really developed.”

    Instead, more and more power had been gathered in at the centre, in Rome.

    “Liturgically is where it has impacted most obviously on the lives of Mass-going Catholics,” he said. “We have a new translation of the Mass texts which was really imposed by Rome. There are bits of the translation that people are simply not happy with, words such as ‘consubstantial’ in the Creed. Before that it was ‘of one being’.

    “Had we been able to make local decisions we would have stuck with the original. It has not had a massive impact, but at the same time it has had an impact that is felt.”

    On how the Church had handled sex abuse, he said the relevant body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Ratzinger before he became Pope, had been efficient.

    But he added: “Perhaps being more pro-active would have been helpful. It might even have been useful to set up an office specifically for dealing with the phenomenon of clerical child abuse. At present it is done by a congregation which is busy also on other stuff.

    “It might have been useful to dedicate an office to this issue and ask local churches to address the issue more forcefully and encourage victims to come forward. I also think it would be useful for the Pope’s successor to have had first hand experience of dealing with this.”

    He said that the next Pope should be the best person. “We cannot prejudice things by saying we need someone from outside Europe. It might be that the best person is from a developed country with a fresh point of view.”

    One thing was certain, he added. “I certainly will not be called to appear on the balcony.” “

  • Karla

    So inappropriate and shameful to say about a retiring Pope.

    Christiana Odone attacked Pope Benedict the same day he was retiring I think on channel 5 news, saying he did not do enough about ths scourge of sex abuses cases, when the truth is Pope Benedict has been a longtime reformer, with documents from 1988 showing he pushed for a moral penal process for priests who had committed abuse. As Pope he has met with victims; at his direction the Vatican asked for every national Bishops conference to prepare guidelines for their locality to deal with accused priests, protecting children, helping abuse victims, cooperating with authorities and training clergy etc

  • Rebecca

    It is really sad that Bishop Conry is so critical of the Holy Father publicly with such contempt and insinuation, it’s really duplicitous. Here is one of his classic comments whilst entertaining the heretical Dr Tina Beattie least we forget what we are dealing with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcD4B2EH6hE

  • Rifleman819

    +Kieran Conroy has form.

    He revealed amazing ignorance of the various theologies of the Reformation and the pre-Reformation Catholic liturgy in a number of interviews and media commentaries.

    There is a hint of duplicitous leprauchan about him .

  • Sally Clarke

    Bp Conry said…
    “A return to the traditional autonomy of local bishops, a characteristic of the early Church, was one of the calls from the Second Vatican Council. The aim was that Rome should work more collaboratively with the local bishops,” Bishop Conry said. “That has not really developed.”

    As someone in Bishop Conry’s diocese I am pretty glad we have a centralised Church.

    Bp Conry’s idea of the Catholic faith is very much at odds with both Rome and “tradition”, thank God we have some good younger priests, many of whom seem to be in Communion with the Pope and at odds with the Bishop. Conry’s autonomy would be rape pillage of the Catholic Church and loss of swathes of faithful Catholics.
    I think our diocese has one of the lowest vocations counts, I understand several potential priests have gone elsewhere because of our Bishop.

    • Bishop Conry wants more autonomy in the decision-making process in terms of Liturgy and I guess everything else which contributes to the universality of the Church (God forbid), but he is apparently quite happy to have the management of sex-abuse in local dioceses centralized in Rome.

    • A Dying Breed

      I second that Sally Clarke. Our Parish is dying… I do pray for those priests struggling on despite the adverse conditions.

  • cymro

    The Bishop is due to give a day/seminar in just under two weeks time to the people of Menevia Diocese. The Day is advertised as Year of Faith and the new Evangelisation. I may take the train down and ask a few questions.

  • Augustine

    Bishop Conry’s remarks were unwise – but I strongly suspect that Ruth Gledhill fed him leading questions and then selectively quoted from his replies. She would have got to know him when he was Director of the Catholic Media Office in London from 1994 to 2001. As a result most Religious Affairs journalists will know him – and will take advantage of his good nature to get an eye catching (and sometimes misleading) headline.

    But he does has seem to suffer from “foot and mouth disease” – that is opening his mouth and putting his foot in it.

    For example on 5 October 2011, the Daily Telegraph reported him as saying that “the Catholic Church supported civil partnerships, which confer the same rights to gay couples as marriage, because they give better legal protection to individuals in matters including inheritance. ”

    You would think that with his long experience of dealing with the Media, he would know better by now. But sadly that does not seem to be the case.

    I am sure that he is a kind, gracious and well-meaning man. But he does seem to be an example of the “Peter Principle” – which states that in most organisations people are promoted to the level of their own incompetence. It is perhaps significant that he only obtained the lesser qualification of STB rather than the STL at the end of his studies in Rome.

    • Sally Clarke

      No Augustine Bishop Conry is unwise and un-Catholic in pratically everything he says, he does not need feeding.

      I am told he is the most complained about English bishop in Rome.

  • Genty

    As expected, they are coming out of the woodwork.

  • Blaise

    His Lordship the Bishop of Arundel and Brighton might do well to study the testimony of one who played a part in the Second Vatican Council.
    http://en.radiovaticana.va/m_articolo.asp?c=665030
    It is of course wishful thinking that Pope Benedict would use his last two weeks in office to remove Bishops who don’t understand the Council and see it through an outdated hermeneutic of rupture.
    Our Lady of Walsingham, pray for us.

  • comte de Frebonius

    The vultures are circling because the body has been revealed! It is amazing that how quick the radical, leftist catholics are now breathing a sigh of relief! While it would be expected that the likes of Odone and company are now delighted, at least they are showing their true nature; the spin and laments of Cameron, Obama and Kenny are the most galling to listen to. To say that they will miss his intellectual and spiritual leadership is pure rubbish, since they all couldn’t stand him and like those mentioned above are delighted that he is gone.

    While in no way intended to predict how the Holy Spirit will act, I would love to see their faces if someone of the calibre of Cardinal Burke was elected!!!!!

  • Jonathan Marshall

    “There are bits of the translation that people are simply not happy with, words such as ‘consubstantial’ in the Creed. Before that it was ‘of one being’.”

    Thanks, Bishop Conry – so we’re all thick are we, and can’t understand difficult words? Dear me. On the other hand, of course, we hear the phrase ‘of one being’ all the time in our daily lives….don’t we?

    • Rifleman819

      Excellent Jonathan,

      “Genitum non factum, consubstantialem patri, per quem omnia facta sunt”-Tridentine Mass

      As +Conroy has said…”of one being”….and before that lumpy 1960s translation it was as above!

      “We should have stuck with the original”……Who’s he kidding? Ah yes..the poor , crypto -Protestant banalities of the 1960s-that’s the one , innit?

      +Conroy knows that his generation in the Episcopate in England and Wales is soon going to be toast-and he does not like it.

      If he himself was any good his own diocese would be a beacon-Masses overflowing-it isn’t , they aren’t.

      LEX ORANDI ,LEX CREDENDI, LEX VIVENDI

      And I expect him to be faced with the dilemma of younger and orthodox priests who now realise that if their Ordinary carps about the Holy Father -then why should they be in any way loyal to him?

      And also with the Ordinariate-holy men ,traditionally reared and on average intellectually superior to Kieran Conroy.He knows it too.

      He isn’t the sharpest Mitre in the vestry by a long way.

      • Sally Clarke

        I think that is indeed the experience of many younger clergy and indeed many convert clergy, about 12% of our clergy are former Anglicans.
        The other problem he will have with the retirement of Hollis and soon Budd is that he will be on a limb in the Bishops Conference.

  • (X)MCCLXIII

    No “negative impact” in my pew – rather the opposite.

  • Joseph Matthew

    Thank you Michael for the entire Times article. I first thought that Conry’s words had been taken out of context. Seems I was wrong.

  • Ioannes

    +Conry complained that there was too much Latin in the Pope’s Westminster Cathedral Mass and had the effrontery to accuse the cathedral’s D.O.M. Martin Baker of going against the wishes of both the Pope and the Archbishop. The Kyrie from the Byrd 5-part Mass should have been followed by an up-beat “Glory to God” by Marty Haugen or some such. The man’s a buffoon, but as he’s only just turned 62 he’s going to be around for a long time. To spare the poor souls in A&B I suggest moving him to Liverpool, where he can preside over liturgical dance in the wigwam to his heart’s content.

    • Dominic McCarthy

      No way. Liverpool has suffered enough. We want a real bishop this time who can sort out our multitudinous problems, not add to them. For the wigwam dance, blame the Salesians! Or their Yoof Service.

  • Nancy D.

    Regarding the abuse crisis, it was the duty of the local Bishop to report abuse to police and the Vatican.
    Regarding those who have been Baptized into Christ’s Church and who profess to be Catholic while dissenting from The Deposit of Faith, it is the duty of the local Bishop to inform those persons that they are no longer in communion with The Body of Christ. (Catholic Canon 750) It is precisely because some bishops believe they are autonomous, and that there is no final authority in The Catholic Church, that the wolves remain, I Pray that Pope Benedict will call on The Bishops to inform those who have left Christ’s Church spiritually, but remain within His Church physically, causing chaos and confusing while leading many astray, that they are, in fact, prodigal sons and daughters, and that the Charitable Anathema exists for the sake of Christ, His Church, those who will come to believe, and those prodigal sons and daughters who, hopefully, will return to The Body of Christ.

    “No one can come to The Father, except through Me.” – Jesus The Christ, The Word of God Made Flesh
    Outside The Body of Christ, there is no Salvation.

    If you are not worshipping The God Who desires we overcome our disordered inclinations, including our disordered sexual inclinations, so that we will not be led into temptation, but rather, sin no more, you are not worshipping The True God, The God of Salvation, The ordered, complementary, communion of Perfect Love, that Is The Holy And Undivided Blessed Trinity.

  • “It might have been useful to…….ask local churches to address the issue more forcefully”

    Any man who needs to be ASKED to deal with these vile crimes more forcefully is not fit to be a Catholic bishop in the first place. Not one of them needed permission from Rome to do what is right – they would have taken the initiative themselves if they had been even half-decent shepherds. The very fact that he can say this and try to shift blame in this way shows his moral cowardice and unfitness for office.

    The problem with collegiality is that in order to work it needs men with Catholic faith and the moral integrity to rule as vicars of Christ. If they don’t even know that concealing crimes against children is wrong then there is something seriously sick about them.

  • James Hughes

    Pope Benedict still has time to unfrock this pretentious idiot. The list of his “errors’ is just too long to be ignored. Is there something in the air of that diocese this is yet another of its prelates who either doesn’t know about the teachings of the catholic church or doesn’t care about the scandal they cause to the faithful. I am glad that CMC wont have a vote for the new pope but I seem to note that he will be heading for Rome to peddle his tripe to the electors. Thank you god for that!

  • James Hughes

    Sorry I meant to say thank god CMC wont have a vote!

    • John Dare

      Would anyone here actually say the things that they’ve written online to the Bishop, to his face?

      • Francis

        Well said John! I am shocked at the bile and lack of respect and love for fellow Christians on here. The site purports to protect the pope. I somehow think that Pope Benedict would rather NOT be protected by these people, they give the church a bad image!

        • Rifleman 819

          Some would regard this as straight-talking-the honest truth.

          As said before what I think the English Catholic episcopate needs is as they have been doing in some leading universities…you import a toughly minded person from Aus, Canada or NZ……who has no local affinities but a job to do.
          Perhaps some people need a dose of straight talking?

          Because again—-Holy Mother Church’s teaching transcends the dimensions of time and space……………human beings, whatever their status or calling in life …are merely transient.

          And speaking the plain truth of the Gospel needs moral courage-and that does not sit well with some precious flowers.

          +Kieran Conroy is not a pastor of the First Church of Kieran , Sussex-he may think he is but he ain’t.

          He is a RC bishop and Ordinary of the diocese of Arundel and Brighton.
          Before launching tirades against the Holy Father…he would to better to concentrate his energies running his own patch-apparently none too sparkling, according to some on this blog?

          • John Dare

            The thing is Rif, there is a world of difference between straight talking and plain rude, not to say obnoxious. Like I said, lets have a head count of those who are going to line up at the lads door for a little chat, as against spouting off.

      • Rifleman 819

        John ,
        I would.

        • John Dare

          Well, thats one then. Much as I enjoy t’internet, it does produce a lot of hot air at times. I expected a long line of ‘I’m Spartacus’.

          • Rifleman819

            No , I’m Spartacus!

          • John Dare

            I’d be surprised if you wern’t son, but where are all of the others? Real names only please :)

          • Marianne

            Well I did. About ten years ago I met my bishop at a church social function. Asking the name of my parish he commented on the ‘excellence of the catechesis there’. Having just graduated from Maryvale, as a catechetical specialist and newly employed as a Catechetical Co-ordinator I asked him quietly, calmly, and with courtesy ‘Why have you, as my bishop, allowed both doctrinaly illiterate catechists and knowing dissenters, to teach heresy to my children in their sacramental preparation?’. His response- ‘I don’t know how to answer you’. I then asked him what he was going to do about this sitaution which is typical of most parishes. Again, no answer and today the situation has not changed.

          • John Dare

            And thats fair Marianne. But still only two of all the online soldiers of christ. Its all looking a bit , what was that word Rif? Boogwas?

          • Deacon Nick Donnelly

            John, I, for one, do not feel I have an obligation to answer the questions you post on this site, so please don’t feel that my silence indicates any form of response or non response. Deacon Nick

          • John Dare

            Marianne

            Added, your words would not have included ‘duplicitous, idiot, or buffoon’ I suspect.

          • John Dare

            No one has to answer my questions Nick. Rif and Marianne apart, the rest just seems to be so much posing. There’s no comeback, no one gets sued, phoned or biffed on the nose (do bishops biff people I wonder, I hope so). Nuff said.

          • Deacon Nick Donnelly

            Sadly the days of the biffing bishops have gone. They just ignore, in a kind of passive aggressive way that reduces us to non people. You would have thought I’d be biffed, I just get ignored or at most whispered about. Deacon Nick

          • John Dare

            I’m sure its not for want of trying Nick, don’t take it to heart.

  • Pat

    Christian Order wrote this about Bishop Conry back in 2002. http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2002/features_jan02.html

    Bishop Kieran Conry

    Father Summersgill, of course, can afford a ‘sticks and stones…’ response to all this, because he is on track for the episcopal heights and controversies are not about to derail him. Should he ever strike trouble, however, he need only phone Bishop Kieran Conry for reassurance. Recently installed in Cardinal Murphy O’Connor’s former diocese of Arundel and Brighton (or what is left of it after his tenure), the former Mgr. Conry was earmarked for higher things by Cardinal Hume during his time as Director of the Catholic Media Office. Despite one priest’s assessment of his time there as being “by any objective standards a disaster,” Mgr Conry became one of the sponsored ‘untouchables’ – and acted accordingly. “For a period I saw quite a bit of Conry,” a deacon confided. “He seemed to live in a secular, corporate world rather than a priestly one. I never once saw him dressed as a priest. His point of view was unfailingly liberal.” In other words, he was left to do his own thing. And if that is considered par for the priestly course nowadays, I guess one could say the same about his ‘special friendship.’ “Kieran was often seen out and about with his female friend,” a London priest informed me. “Everyone knew about it in the same way that everyone, including the bishops, knew about the homosexual relationship between Martin Pendergast [ex-Carmelite priest] and Julian Filochowski [Director of CAFOD, the bishops' overseas aid agency].”

    Several years ago, around the time of the Roddy Wright scandal, I explored how British bishops turn a blind eye to the “occasion of sin” in which a priest “keeping company” places himself, tempting fate and grave scandal ["Six Bishops and a Funeral: Why The Common Good was Dead on Arrival," CO, Jan. 1997]. At that time, in commenting on the routine breaking of vows of chastity acknowledged by the hierarchy in a message to the Pope, Mgr (now Bishop) Arthur Roche had assured The Times that “… the bishops of England and Wales are realists.” Just how “realistic” they are I indicated by relating, among other cases, the example of the London priest well known to be living with his Pastoral Assistant, who he took along to Deanery meetings at the Bishop’s house! In that context, Mgr Conry ‘merely’ keeping regular company in such public fashion is hardly surprising. Yet even if such increasingly common ‘relationships’ are purely platonic, the point is that scandal is given, above all to those of simple and delicate conscience who are offended by it and interpret it in a bad sense. St. Joseph Cafasso, a nineteenth century version of the Cure of Ars, called this kind of scandal “the scandal of the little ones.” A priest’s life is not his own, and so the Saint exhorts him to absolutely abstain from any behaviour which might give scandal, even if caused by appearance only and the result of the ignorance of others.

    One assumes that this is the case with Mgr Conry. But regardless, does it not leave the gravest questions about ecclesiastical propriety? Not to say about his prudential judgement and ability to offer wise moral leadership and counsel to others? Especially when shortly before his episcopal consecration Mass he is seen in Italy strolling hand in hand and enjoying leisurely outings with his lady friend at Palazzola, the residence on Lake Albano belonging to the English College. Again, it was the appearance of scandal that upset those who viewed the liaison, including one priest who was sufficiently disgusted to make representations to a Vatican Congregation. Word quickly spread and it is said that Church authorities may have queried Mgr Conry about the matter. Whatever the case, it is a measure of the unqualified protection afforded to Modernist cronies that not only did Mgr Conry’s less than discreet romantic entanglement not disqualify him from consideration for a bishopric in the first place, but that the Palazzola coup de grace did not even delay his elevation by a single day. It is especially shocking in light of the numerous sexual scandals in recent years which have caused such harm to the Church in general and episcopate in particular, and which, one might have thought, would have seen Rome acting swiftly to snuff out the slightest possibility of further tabloid headlines. Not on your life. Ensconced in a plum see, Bishop Conry is now fulfilling the standard expectations of his liberal patrons: Protestantising and bureaucratizing his diocese behind a welter of Modernist buzz-words about “community,” “renewal” and “change.”

  • Rifleman819

    John ,
    Agree…..but + our lil’ Kieran has taken an oath of fidelity to the Catholic church and to the Holy Father.And he is not just a priest…but a bishop.
    If he wants to have a go at BXV1…..by all means do so ……but resign from his diocese first.
    It is like being in the Grenadier Guards holding the rank of , say Major or Lt.Colonel…and then publicly slagging off your Royal Colonel…HM Queen.

    Kieran Conroy deserves all he gets.He lacks integrity.

    He can say all he wants …possibly …as an ex-diocesan bishop.

    And by the same token -I hope he gets personally from his own priests in Arundel and Brighton exactly the same treatment as the comments he has made about the Holy Father.
    Loyalty is a two-way street.

    • John Dare

      And if a grenadier hears a major slagging off a colonel, what does he say, in practice?

      • Rifleman819

        Fixes him with a the stare of a 6foot+ Guardsman…6 foot 6″ minumum if in the Queen’s Company of the First Foot Guards.
        That normally works …because all Guards officers don’t have to meet the men’s height requirements.
        But as in the Guards -the inner culture of the Church-its ethos -should , should prevent that happening.

  • Marianne

    ‘There’s no comeback, no one gets sued, phoned or biffed on the nose’. Well John that does actually happen when you speak TRUTH. I have now worked in my diocese for ten years. Not only has the situation not changed but I have been personally harangued and persecuted by ‘diocesan officials’, and the BISHOP for standing up for orthodox teaching- my name is ‘mud’in those circles. Other doctrinaly literate friends, catechists, parents of children who experience heterodoxy and outright heresy in their parishes and schools are treated in the same way, after courteously and calmly questioning why their children being taught falsehood in the name of the Catholic Church.I can provide names, places, situations and correspondence. My two daughters, both now in their twenties,orthodox and faithful, despite appalling catechesis (I was doctrinaly illiterate during their formative years) will tell you the same sorry tale. In my catechetical practice I have invited bishops from my diocese to speak to our young people and listened to obfuscation, heterodoxy and heresy. By God’s grace I have also had the opportunity to speak to some who have roles in the Vatican- my experience is not exceptional. If I as a middle age woman can come to know the truth of Christ through his Church, and have joyful obedience what on earth is the problem with our Shepherds?

    • John Dare

      Thanks for that Marianne, you are maybe the exception though. I’m underwhelmed by the rush to speak to the bishop in person, giving name, rank and serial number.

  • Rifleman819

    Marianne ,
    That was from the heart.
    The only way to stop all this stuff is if the Nuncio has a much, much greater input into episcopal selection.
    Otherwise we will just perpetuate fossilised mediocrity.
    Appointing one or two Ordinariate bishops of outstanding ability and pastoral gifts would send a shock wave or two.And someone from ??New Zealand….Anglophone culture but a different take and approach to Catholic leadership?
    And why not?

  • A&B

    Please pray for our priests, many fine men who hold to the Magisterium

  • SteveD

    It’s great to know that there are people like Marianne teaching the truth and standing up to the modernist and relativist bullies who are running so much of God’s Church in this country.

  • As a ‘modern’ Franciscan from a family history in the Jesuits of Spain, I respond to most of these personal attacks on Bishop Kieran with laughter,bemusement and incredulity! Bishop Kieran may not be your choice…but he is God’s and so I will have to leave you to wrestle with Him….But don’t expect to come out without a serious limp! To attack Bishop Kieran for expressing his point of view as a shepherd of the flock, is like trying to silence Jesus for His breach of religious etiquette. I rarely take any notice as to what the secular media says, but when a brother in Christ is attacked by (so called) fellow Christians, for sharing his prayerful and prophetic thoughts, I must speak. Bishop Kieran Conry, for all his failings, is a man of God and a true son of the Church. He is a man who knows the love of God and preaches it, he is a servant of the servants of God and a true shepherd of the flock. I do not agree with all he says or preaches, but I know that his heart is true and he is a man after God’s heart just as King David was. When I read the accusatory words spoken against him, such as “Pretentious Idiot”, I am reminded that it was the religious bigots of old who accused our Lord Jesus with the same venomous rhetoric. May the Lord have mercy on us all, for though we have eyes, we do not see and though we have ears, we do do not hear..because we have harden our hearts! Peace and Good to all who will receive it.

  • Paul Smyth

    Brother Michael,
    Not wanting you to have the last word, I see you are an Anglican therefore I can understand your lack of understanding of what Catholics expect from their Bishops.
    Anglicans might see Catholics who hold firm to Catholic teaching as ‘bigots’ otherwise you might become a Catholic.

    • Brother Michael Daly, CJ.

      Dear Paul, I am not an Anglican as you “see”! I am a Catholic but not as you see! If you are going to have the last word, get it right!

  • Dear Brother Michael,
    I cam across this website by accident and, of course, I will never visit it again. I was getting more and more depressed and perplexed as I read each contribution, especially those of the aptly named Rifleman819.
    When working for many years as a teacher in a Catholic secondary school belonging to the Arundel diocese, I often heard Bishop Kieran talk to students. His words were always relevant and empathetic to his audience. He came across as a man who understood the difficulties and challenges of modern life and who could relate these to the Christian Faith. Thank you for your contribution at least. I am embarrassed to think I am in the same church as the bigoted and spiteful people who contribute to this site.

  • Faithfocus

    Firstly, as a 19 year old girl who has just returned from the Arundel and Brighton Lourdes pilgirmage, I must say that all these comments (and indeed most of this website) make me very upset. Bishop Kieran is a fantasic bishop. He is an extremely clever man who puts God’s love at the centre of his faith. His criticism of the way the Catholic Church handled the sex abuse was just. It was a terrible thing to happen and it was dealt with badly. It deserves to be apologised about.

    Secondly, this is a poorly written article. It states that the Bishop accuses and damns Pope Benedict himself and then follows this up with irrelevant quotes, none of which directly attack our old Pope.

    The Bishop is a humble and kind man who has time to talk to anyone and everyone regardless of their age. He has the respect of all 800 people on that pilgrimage. As a young person I find this humble man a refreshing example of my faith. This is that my God sent his son to die for me so that my sins could be forgiven. The main commandments we were given by Jesus were to love our God and our neighbours. This love is exactly what the Bishop has demonstrated all pilgrimage and in the 4 years I have known him. God did not send his son so that we could argue over petty rules. You are forgetting the main focus of your faith – the word pharisees does spring to mind.

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