Now that Kenny’s abortion bill passed its latest vote 138-24 will bishops realise they can’t dialogue with evil?

Now that Enda Kenny’s abortion bill has passed its second reading 138-24, with only four Fine Gael TD’s voting against their party, will the  Irish bishops at last realise that they can’t dialogue with evil and issue a categorical statement that any Catholic TD who votes to legalise abortion is automatically excommunicated? If the bishops had done this in the first place, then maybe more TDs would realise the mortal seriousness of this vote.

Catholic Enda Kenny will now eject the four Fine Gael TD’s from the party and de-select them because they voted to defend unborn babies and had the courage to follow their consciences. Will the bishops of Ireland treat Enda Kenny and the other Catholic TD’s who voted to legalise abortion that same as the TD’s who have just ruined their political careers by voting pro-life?

The failure of the Irish bishops to make clear the absolute evil of voting to legalize the intentional killing of unborn babies will shatter the communion of the Church.  The only way of conveying the evil of this political action is by telling  the TDs that they will be denied Holy Communion because they are in a state of mortal sin and informing all priests in Ireland that they must deny communion to these politicians. To allow them to receive Holy Communion would be to make Holy Communion a lie. They are not in communion with the Church, because they are killing innocent human beings.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/d%C3%A1il-vote-on-abortion-bill-carried-by-138-to-24-1.1450291

 

 

12 comments to Now that Kenny’s abortion bill passed its latest vote 138-24 will bishops realise they can’t dialogue with evil?

  • Michael Petek

    They are not in communion with the Church, because they are killing innocent human beings, further or alternatively because they are in heresy from the definitive teaching of Evangelium Vitae.

  • Lynda

    No, because the majority of them do not do their fundamental duty as a priest and Bishop – to save souls – but rather ignore the moral and spiritual well-being of the People by not feeding them the unadulterated truth of morality and faith, but rather appease and obsequiously flatter the public evil-doers and deride those who speak out against the evil. The Faithful are for the most part without their leaders in Faith and morals. We are without shepherds. This is why so many have lost their Faith and reason. Lord, have mercy.

  • tro

    Have these bishops never heard of Spiritual Works of Mercy?

    • Wake up England

      Tro: you’re a star of the catholic firmament:

      Well done for saying this.

      For those in need of a memory-jog, the Seven Spiritual Works of Mercy are:

      1) To Counsel the doubtful
      2) To instruct the ignorant
      3) To admonish sinners (pay attention ACTA)
      4) To comfort the afflicted (not kill them by euthanasia)
      5) To forgive offences
      6) To bear wrongs patiently
      7) To pray for the living and the dead.

      When I was a child we learned them by heart. Are children taught them now?

      No they’re not which is why, inter alia, we’ve got the vote for abortion practically everywhere.

      You bishops who read this blog: are the Spiritual Works of Mercy taught in the schools over which you have influence?

      Did you learn them yourselves, my lords; or had they been already thrown out with the bathwater and the baby?

  • Peter Northcott

    I can’t dialogue with most Traddies either, so what are they?

    • Wake up England

      Peter Northcott:

      You couldn’t “dialogue” your way out of a Kum By Yah meeting because you seek to impress others with your 1970s pseudo post-hippy presentation of Catholicism. It’s called Peterism (the “make it up to suit yourself” version of real Catholicism).

      Of course real Catholics give you problems “Dialoguing” with them. We all realise you lead people to Hell.

      Poor Peter, no-one will “dialogue with him about heresy. Diddums.

      “Traddies” sounds like a 1960s Star Trek word, which tells us all something about Peter. Anyway, we have 2000 years of God’s Church as our back-up. What have you got? 50 years of mis-interpreting Vatican 2.

      Dere readers: which horse are you backing? Peter? or Jesus Christ?

  • comte de Frebonius

    Kenny has stated that this so-called law will not open the floodgates of euthanasia/abortion on demand. Yeah, right on Enda just wait and see. Funny, is it not that Enda is bringing a “law” that ENDA’s life ( Get it!!!) The terrible scene in the film Becket has Richard Burton as the martyred saint pronouncing the words of excommunication; they should be publicly recreated now in Armagh Cathedral and Dublin’s Pro-Cathedral.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    What has happened to Archbishop Charlie Brown appointed from the CDF by BXVI as Apostolic Legate to Ireland?

  • comte de Frebonius

    Just one other point, one of the most saddest results of this vote is that one of those voting for the Bill is an ex-seminarian, Jerry Buttimer from Cork! It just shows how little that faith and the teachings of the Church has, if somebody who was in training for ordination can vote against the teachings of the Church.

  • Manus

    I have received the following message sent from the Cardinal’s office:

    From: “Michael Toner”
    To:
    Sent: Tuesday, 2 July, 2013 12:36:03 PM

    “Dear Manus,

    I write on behalf of Cardinal Brady to say that he has written to Mr Tom Barry, TD, clarifying that he had given him no assurances whatsoever and making clear the teaching of the Church as outlined by Blessed John Paul II in the Gospel of Life (Evangelium Vitae).

    Yours sincerely,

    (Rev) Michael C Toner
    (Diocesan Secretary)”

    Manus adds that Evangelium Vitae states:
    The 1917 Code of Canon Law punished abortion with excommunication. 69 The revised canonical legislation continues this tradition when it decrees that “a person who actually procures an abortion incurs automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication”.70 The excommunication affects all those who commit this crime with knowledge of the penalty attached, and thus includes those accomplices without whose help the crime would not have been committed.

    Canon Law:
    Canon 915:
    Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.

    Canon 916:
    A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.

    Canon 1398:
    A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

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