Bishop Conry’s ‘incredibly supportive letter’ encourages the Quest gay group to plan expansion in Arundel & Brighton

Terence Weldon, member of the Soho Masses Pastoral Council and writer of  Queering the Church, has written that one of the highlight’s of Quest’s 40th anniversary conference was the public reading of an ‘incredibly supportive letter from Bishop Conry that has encouraged Quest to plan to expand its presence in the Diocese of Arundel and Brighton, and other selected dioceses.   Quest is a homosexual Catholic group banned by Cardinal Hume from being included the Catholic Directory as an approved Catholic organisation because of its dissent from Church doctrine by promoting homosexual sex.

Terence Weldon writes:

‘At the Chichester conference itself, a highlight was hearing Ruby read a letter from the  Bishop of Arundel & Brighton, Kieron Conroy, in reply to our invitation to him to attend the conference. In his remarkably supportive reply, he noted “with regret” that he would be unable to attend as he would be away in Lourdes.’

‘Also during the conference, in formal meetings and in informal conversations, I noted a bubbling up of ideas for new initiatives to expand our activities.

‘Then, the day after the conference, came the really exciting news: reports of Pope Francis’ press conference in the flight returning from Brazil, including his insistence that gay people should not be judged. (In effect, he was saying what +Kieron had implied in his letter to us – that he was not judging us). Francis also said that gay men are welcome in the priesthood, and that gay people should be fully included in society.  The obvious corollary is that we should similarly be fully integrated in the Church.’

‘Taken together, these developments represent an astonishing opportunity for Quest, quite literally a “Kairos moment” for movement toward full inclusion and recognition in the English Catholic Church. For years, the Quest name has been what was described at conference 2012 as a “toxic brand” to the English bishops. This could now change. Supported by Pope Francis’ words on a refusal to judge, and his earlier statements in Brazil warning against clericalism, and the need to “shake up the dioceses”, we should now arrange to meet with +Kieron to discuss ways in which we can co-operate in expanding LGBT ministry in his diocese.  Thereafter, we should aim to do the same for other selected dioceses.’

Protect the Pope comment: Either Terence Weldon is misrepresenting Bishop Conry’s letter to the Quest conference or Bishop Conry has decided to dismiss Cardinal Basil Hume’s judgement that Quest is not an approved Catholic organisation  because it promoted homosexual sex. In a letter to Charles Keal, Quest’s chairman at the time, Cardinal Hume wrote explaining that his decision to remove it from the list of approved Catholic organisations was that if an organization was listed with ecclesiastical approval, “the assumption must be that it accepts the church’s teaching set out in a manner that is in no way ambiguous.” The cardinal further explained Quest’s rejection of living ‘chaste lives in accordance with the church’s teaching’ raised concern about the direction Quest was taking. ”It is one thing for the church officially to recognize a support group for Catholic homosexual men and women, struggling, as we all do, to live up to the demands of our shared Christian vocation,” but was clear that an explicit part of Quest’s agenda is “to encourage and recognize loving same-sex partnerships,” which the church cannot accept.’ If Terence Weldon is being honest then Bishop Conry has decided he can accept ‘same-sex partnerships’.

http://queeringthechurch.com/2013/08/05/after-40-years-entry-into-the-promised-land/

 

46 comments to Bishop Conry’s ‘incredibly supportive letter’ encourages the Quest gay group to plan expansion in Arundel & Brighton

  • JamesM

    I am going to give +Kieran the benefit of the doubt on this. My assumption is that Weldon is being dishonest in his approach.

    As someone living in the Diocese of Arundel & Brighton I do intend to write to His Lordship for clarification.

  • Wake up England

    To the Right Revd. Kieron Conry, Bishop of Arundel & Brighton:

    My Lord,

    Re “Quest” group

    Can the report on Protect the Pope possibly be true (that you are in support of Quest? Or is the reported letter a hoax?

    Assuring you of my prayers and goodwill.

    I am,

    Your obedient child,

    Wiliam Weber.

  • Wake up England

    I post above a copy of my letter – written this day – to Bishop Conry.

    Let’s hope his lordship has time to reply to me before he goes to Lourdes.

  • Wake up England

    For those also wishing to write to Bishop Conry, his address is:

    The Rt. Rev, K. Conry, Bishop of Arundel and Brighton
    High Oaks
    Old Brighton Road North
    Pease Pottage
    West Sussex
    RH11 9AJ

    • Charles

      Wake up England. I am glad to see you are back to your positive self.

      I have E-mailed Bishop Conry at bishop@dabnet.org This can be found on the diocesan web site and is public knowledge.

      “Dear Bishop Conry

      I am most concerned to read in the “Protect the Pope” blog that you support Quest a homosexual Catholic group banned by Cardinal Hume from being included in the Catholic Directory as an approved Catholic organisation because of its dissent from Church doctrine by promoting homosexual sex.

      Terence Weldon of “Queering the Church” (a most obnoxious and offensive description for a so called church organisation) writes:
      ‘At the Chichester conference itself, a highlight was hearing Ruby read a letter from the Bishop of Arundel & Brighton, Kieron Conroy, in reply to our invitation to him to attend the conference. In his remarkably supportive reply, he noted “with regret” that he would be unable to attend as he would be away in Lourdes.’

      There is a growing unrest in the pews about the amount of influence that homosexuals have over our Bishops. There should be no bullying of gays and neither should gays bully those of us who try to adhere to church teaching/

      It is recommended that you read the “Protect the Pope” blog.”

      I am sure that if everyone writes or e-mails the Bishop we will get clarification. If not we must contact the Nuncio.

  • Wake up England

    IMPORTANT:

    I am not easily shocked.

    However, even I was utterly astounded to read a series of comments on this blog which some people may not have seen.

    Anyone who is in doubt of the fact that ACTA and their ilk are highly dangerous to faith should take a moment to look at the recent article by Deacon Nick on this Blog entitled:

    “Why is the Archdiocese of Southwark allowing the dissent group ACTA to use its Cathedral Hall?”

    Towards the end of the long list of comments you will find several posts by “Meredith”. Meredith turns out to be a CATHOLIC PRIEST WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE VIRGIN BIRTH. Have a look; see for yourselves.

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we must all stand up for Almighty God and his Holy Faith; The Holy Father and our orthodox priests and religious who are being undermined by open heresy from ordained Catholic priests.

    May God protect us all from this evil.

  • SteveD

    Another misinterpretation of Pope Francis’ words by the very people who need to be reminded, more than any other group, loudly and clearly what Church teaching is on the matter of human sexuality. As for the Bishop of A&B, is he Catholic? I could’t possibly comment.

  • BJC

    Terence lives on Planet Terry so I would take it with a pinch of salt. All of his “reports” are full of distortions, half-truths and exaggerations so I dare say this is another one. If you just look at the way he presents Pope Francis’s words its even more exaggerated than Catherine Pepinster’s version. By day he seems to be a propagandist for LGBT Catholics and by night a pizza delivery man – it’s a strange existence but I guess someone has to do it! If you are out there Terry can we see the original? Bet you won’t dare put it online.

  • For a site that claims to “Protect the Pope”, you seem to be completely deaf to what he’s been saying. If he can ask, “Who am I to judge?” – then on what basis do you do so?

    • Deacon Nick Donnelly

      Terence Weldon writes, ‘If he can ask, “Who am I to judge?” – then on what basis do you do so?’ On Protect the Pope we base our judgement on the Catechism of the Catholic Church, particularly paragraphs 2357-2359, as does Pope Francis in his comments to journalists on the flight back from Rio. Deacon Nick Donnelly

    • Sonja

      Terence — Did you actually read the transcript of what Pope Francis said? — If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge that person? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this point beautifully

      From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
      2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

      In the same speech Francis also said:
      There is another problem, another one: the problem is to form a lobby of those who have this tendency, a lobby of the greedy people, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This is the most serious problem for me.

      Are you one of those greedy lobbyists? “lobbies are not good”!

      • Catholic Blogger

        Not “disorder”, but “dis-order”

        This is a crucial and careful difference.

        • @Catholic Blogger: the Catechism makes no such distinction in either the English or the Latin. So I’m not sure why you’re insisting upon it; neither am I sure why exactly you think the distinction is “crucial”.

          • Catholic Blogger

            My edition of the Catechism uses the word with a hyphen “dis-order“, and this is NOT because the word is split onto two lines.

          • @Catholic Blogger: what English edition are you using?

            Please note that paragraph 2358 was changed slightly in the English 2nd edition: for a list of all the changes between the 1st and 2nd editions, see here. The reason for the English 2nd edition is that the Latin editio typica wasn’t promulgated until 1997, but the Catechism had already been published in various vernacular languages between 1992-94, so those vernacular editions (including the English) needed changing at a number of points to match the Latin text.

            If your text of the Catechism says it’s the 2nd edition and it has a hyphen in “disorder”, then I’m afraid that’s a typographical error in your copy. But, again, I’m not sure why you think it’s a “crucial” distinction in the first instance…?

    • BJC

      Terence

      Come on, where’s the letter? Put it up on your website so we can all see and judge for ourselves if indeed +Kieron has been ‘incredibly supportive’ or if its just another one of your distortions, half-truths and exaggerations.

    • Francis

      Well said Terence! Pope Francis would be appalled at the many of the comments on this site relating to gay people. Protecting the Pope? I don’t think so!

  • tro

    “All of his “reports” are full of distortions, half-truths and exaggerations so I dare say this is another one.”

    You may well be right, but the Bishop of Rome’s ill-judged remarks have left the door wide open to this kind of thing.

  • Surely statements of this kind should be quarantined- to avoid the spread of “foot-in-mouth”…or something worse!

    • Wake up England

      Patricius:

      Whose statements, exactly, are you speaking of?

      Unless one knows who your comment is intended for, it is meaningless.

      Whom do you wish to put into quarantine?

  • Tony Preece

    Remember Garabandal, folks.

    Not approved, certainly not condemned. Why not approved? Because the then Bishop of Santander considered “difficult” the part of Our Lady’s message referring to evil Bishops who would drag the faithful down to hell. Thirty-odd years later, I wonder what that Bishop thinks now?

    I am quite sure in my own mind that Garabandal is authentic. And if it is – the events there foretold will happen in all our lifetimes.

    And the earth will be cleansed of the filth we see even on this thread, and on many others, from those who are wedded to their life of mortal sin; demanding of Christ’s Church that it should praise them for it.

    Conry is a disgrace, of course. There are many, many Bishops like him in the world, all infected with the evils of that hell-damned Council. The Pope is maybe another of them. I cannot abide either man myself.

    Why do any of you bother with the so-called mainstream Church any longer? It belongs to Satan and wishes to belong to him.

    • Wake up England

      Tony Preece:

      I thoroughly object to your post which attacks the Pope; the church and second Vatican Council, which, like it or not, is a perfectly orthodox and legitimate council.

      You evince all the symptoms of religious mania which is most unhelpful to authentic debate.

      In short, you sound bonkers.

      • Tony Preece

        ” … perfectly orthodox?”

        This is insanity, isn’t it? Even the arch-liberal Cardinal Kaspar has stated explicitly that the documents of Vatican II, not the “spirit”, are the problem.

        As to this Pope, the blood froze in my veins at his sinister entry onto the loggia and with every speech he makes it freezes further.

        You will see that I am right.

    • AsItIs

      Actually those who should have investigate the Garabandal didn’t follow the correct procedures…….they “muffed it”!!

      To remind your readers again:-
      Before, the cup was filling up. Now it is flowing over.

      Many cardinals, many bishops and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them. Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist. You should turn the wrath of God away from yourselves by your efforts.

      If you ask for His forgiveness with sincere hearts, He will pardon you. I, your mother, through the intercession of Saint Michael the Archangel, ask you to amend your lives. You are now receiving the last warnings.

  • Ioannes

    I’m not one of Kieran Conry’s greatest fans, but I’ll wager that when Terry tries to arrange a meeting with him to discuss expanding Quest’s activities in his diocese (and it would help if he got his name right – oops, that’s probably another dyslexic I’ve disparaged), His Lordship will suddenly find that his engagement book is full.

  • Wake up England

    Dear Terrence Weldon,

    Please may we all see the Bishop of Arundel & Brighton’s letter?

  • Lynda

    Juxtapose the disgraceful entertaining of this sinful organisation by those who ought to be admonishing and disciplining them in order to save their immortal souls with the scandalous treatment of the wholly orthodox (and thriving) order, the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. FFI has made a statement refuting the lies that have been spread in the Media in respect of the Order and the Decree.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    Living in A&B one cannot help but have concerns about what is going on in the Diocese. A few years ago the Bishop was encouraging us to see “Brokeback Mountain” – a film about homosexually active cowboys I understand – so that we could review our view of relationships. A few weeks ago our parish news-sheet claimed the Church could change its teaching on relationships and women priests because “in the early Church the teaching on circumcision was changed”. Which itself is surely a distortion as the early Church had simply not made up its mind on the subject until it decided that circumcision was not required.

    • BJC

      Nicholas

      Interesting information about “Brokeback Mountain”.

      “A few weeks ago our parish news-sheet claimed the Church could change its teaching on relationships and women priests because “in the early Church the teaching on circumcision was changed””

      Have you got a copy of it? It could be worth sending in to Nick and posting it up.

      • Lynda

        Would be worth sending a copy to the CDF.

        • Pastor in Valle

          But before you do, it would be worth being clear that though the bishop recommended seeing Brokeback Mountain (and I can’t really defend that), he did not recommend the lifestyle portrayed.
          The erroneous comment about women priests and circumcision did not come from the bishop, but must have been the initiative of that particular parish priest.
          In charity, let us not forget also that it was Bishop Conry who obtained for the Church in Englad and Wales the great grace of renewed Friday Abstinence.

          • Nicolas Bellord

            Of course he did not actually recommend sodomy. He would have been in real trouble if he had done that. But he went as close as he thought he could safely.

  • “Francis also said that gay men are welcome in the priesthood, and that gay people should be fully included in society. The obvious corollary is that we should similarly be fully integrated in the Church.” Can this guy read English?

  • Wake up England

    Ac Call To Acton: Another destructive eye Opener:

    Those with a minute to spare may like to visit ACTA’s website: acalltoaction.org.uk (Believe me it is not pretty.)

    There they will see an article entitled:

    “CORAGEOUS CONVERSATIONS-DEDICATED TO DIALOGUE” Reproduced with permission of St Patrick’s Seminary MAYNOOTH.

    Here is just one excerpt to give a feeling of the article:

    “A Fall/Redemption-centred theology [which] tends to be conservative, dualistic, safe, legalistic. This is very inadequate, and when presented as the only Christian story of our human condition is – UTTERLY DESTRUCTIVE DOCTRINE.

    An EARLIER theology is needed to ground, balance and CRITIQUE this over-emphasis on a seminal Fall”

    The capital letters are mine.

    So this is part of ACTA’s aims: abolition of Original Sin.

    It also appears to originate from Maynooth Seminary by whose “permission” ACTA quotes it.

    • BJC

      WUE

      I’m glad you brought this up, I noticed it myself a few weeks ago but it seemed too much trouble to start discussing it then. This is what I mean by ‘tip of the iceberg’. Once you start rejecting one thing, its logical to reject others and eventually you’ll get back to Original Sin and reject that too. The author is actually Fr. Daniel O’Leary not plain old Daniel O’Leary, who also writes in the Tablet. His code word for ‘discussing heresy’ is obviously let’s have a ‘courageous conversation’ (!). Judging by what James Preece says about him (see link below) he’s yet another women priest enthusiast, and as I’ve posted previously its pretty normal for those people to reject the Holy Sacrifice of the mass and just turn it into a sacred meal of some kind. Once you’ve done that it’s but a short walk to start redefining grace and rejecting Original Sin/The Fall.

      Something else worth bringing into this is an ex-Domincan priest called Matthew Fox. He was kicked out of the Dominicans in 1993 (by Cardinal Ratzinger), joined the Anglicans in 1994 but then seems to have left them in 1996 to start something called Creation Spirituality. He famously rejects Orignal Sin and believes in something he calls Original Blessing. When I read Fr. Daniel O’Leary’s essay this is what I got the feeling he was hinting at, but like all modernist/liberals he cleverly steps back from crossing that line and lets you draw your own conclusions. Remember what those seminarians said about some of the lecturers/professors in Maynooth? Its that liberal technique again.

      http://www.lovingit.co.uk/2008/09/fr-daniel-oleary.html

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Fox_(priest)

  • John Fannon

    I would be surprised if letters or emails to Conry will elicit any response whatsoever. Letters to the Catholic Herald might smoke him out.

    And why is a gay lobby like Quest allowed any daylight at all, when Pope Francis has made it quite clear

    “The problem isn’t having this tendency, no. We must be brothers, because this is one, but there are others, others. The problem is the lobbying of this tendency.”

  • Pat

    Have a read of the section on Bishop Conry in the article ‘Cronies, Crooks and Crisis Popes’ by Michael McGrade http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2002/features_jan02.html It may, just may, shed some light on the bishop’s apparently strange attitude towards moral issues . . .

    • John Fannon

      I am totally stunned by this article.
      The only thing that stops me upping sticks and looking for the nearest SSPX church is
      a) We are lucky to have a good orthodox parish priest and he needs support in these awful times
      b) The new Bishops, Mark Davies, Philip Egan and Alan Hopes are totally different and have already shown their mettle.

      Please God send us good holy strong Bishops and throw the likes of Smith, Conry, Murphy O’Connor into the dustbin of history!

      I am advising my daughter if and when she gets married and if blessed with children, she should educate them herself.

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