Undecided Illinois Catholic politicians claim Pope Francis’ words on homosexuals tipped them in favour of gay marriage

Reporting on the State of Illinois voting to legalise gay ‘marriage’ The Chicago Tribune is claiming that undecided Illinois Catholic politicians voted in favour of gay ‘marriage’ because of Pope Francis’ statements on homosexuals in a number of interviews:

‘Advocates soon received additional help from Pope Francis, who warned that the Catholic Church could lose its way by focusing too much on social stances, including opposition to homosexuality.

“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?” Francis said in July.

The comments sparked a wave of soul-searching by several Catholic lawmakers who had battled to reconcile their religious beliefs with their sworn duty to represent their constituents who were increasingly supportive of gay rights even as Cardinal Francis George remained opposed.

“As a Catholic follower of Jesus and the pope, Pope Francis, I am clear that our Catholic religious doctrine has at its core love, compassion and justice for all people,” said Rep. Linda Chapa LaVia, a Democrat from Aurora who voted for the bill after spending much of the summer undecided.

House Speaker Michael Madigan also cited the pope’s comments in explaining his support for the measure.

“For those that just happen to be gay — living in a very harmonious, productive relationship but illegal — who am I to judge that they should be illegal?” the speaker said.

Madigan had come under fire from some gay rights groups who argued that he wasn’t doing enough to build support in the chamber he controls, but advocates say he was critical in rounding up the final needed votes in the last several weeks.

Later, Madigan acknowledged that he helped persuade “a significant number of people” to vote for the legislation. But always one to leave some mystery hanging, Madigan would not state how many or which lawmakers he brought across the finish line.’

President Obama welcomed Illinois decision to legalise the impossible, gay ‘marriage’:

‘Michelle and I are overjoyed for all the committed couples in Illinois whose love will now be as legal as ours — and for their friends and family who have long wanted nothing more than to see their loved ones treated fairly and equally under the law’.

Protect the Pope comment: The Catholic politicians who voted for gay ‘marriage’ have been very selective in their quotes from Pope Francis, ignoring the fact that a number of times the Holy Father set his comments on homosexuality in the context of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which expresses the Church’s teachings that homosexuality is a disordered sexual attraction and homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.’ (CCC 2357). Strange that when these Catholic politicians were agonising over this moral decision they didn’t bother to read the Catechism but instead chose to read the MSM’s misrepresentation of Pope Francis’s words.  It’s urgent that Pope Francis makes his criticism of gay marriage clear and unequivocal or else his misreported words arr going to be used as a justification by more Catholic politicians to vote for gay pseudo-marriage.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-gay-marriage-illinois-1106-20131106,0,5593474.story?page=1

43 comments to Undecided Illinois Catholic politicians claim Pope Francis’ words on homosexuals tipped them in favour of gay marriage

  • Andrzej

    though all this be madness, yet there’s method in’t

    There has to be…

  • I just don’t see it that he has been misrepresented. He said what he said. He had the chance to deny that he said we were not ‘to judge.’ But in fact that is Vatican II’s legacy, when it made the Church subsist along with all others in a greater ‘church’ where salvation may be found for all, without Christ, without the sacraments, without baptism. It is a doctrinal problem and Pope Francis’ words accurately reflect the doctrine of that cursed council. Perhaps God is letting us have enough rope to hang ourselves. It was easier to believe Benedict’s more elevated modernism, to hope it meant that everything was okay, would turn out okay, without the painful process that rooting out that council and that rotten doctrine. Maybe now the middle-of-the-roaders, who forget yesterday’s lesson as soon as they awaken each morning, will finally get it. What that awakening means for us, I do not know. It is the duty of the Cardinals to declare a manifest heretic. They can do that. If he allows a woman ‘cardinal,’ will they? By the way, this is not the first time the flaw has influenced our politics: democratic politicians, including Nancy Pelosi and Biden, cite the Council as the source of their votes on abortion.

    • Nicolas Bellord

      Janet: “a cursed council”. That is way over the top. It was a council of the Church and needs to be respected as such. I am at present reading the documents and I find nothing in them to take exception to. What I do not find is anything that justifies what has happened since and all the rubbish we have had about the spirit of Vatican II. I only wish I had read these documents years ago. It is quite ludicrous to talk of “Benedict’s more elevated modernism” – are you suggesting he was a heretic? I can only assume you are just about as far from Christ’s Church as those in ACTA but just in a different direction.

      • Nicolas Bellord

        I would also add that much of the rot that has infected the Church started before Vatican II. The Council was then misinterpreted (BXVI’s virtual council) to further the rot.

    • Michael B Rooke

      @ Janet Baker
      Here are two references to ‘gay’ in the interview with the Holy Father on the return flight fro Rio de Janeiro.

      Patricia Zorzan:

      Speaking on behalf of the Brazilians: society has changed, young people have changed, and in Brazil we have seen a great many young people. You did not speak about abortion, about same-sex marriage. In Brazil a law has been approved which widens the right to abortion and permits marriage between people of the same sex. Why did you not speak about this?

      Pope Francis:

      The Church has already spoken quite clearly on this. It was unnecessary to return to it, just as I didn’t speak about cheating, lying, or other matters on which the Church has a clear teaching!

      Patricia Zorzan:

      But the young are interested in this …

      Pope Francis:

      Yes, though it wasn’t necessary to speak of it, but rather of the positive things that open up the path to young people. Isn’t that right! Besides, young people know perfectly well what the Church’s position is.

      ==========
      Ilze Scamparini

      I would like permission to ask a delicate question: another image that has been going around the world is that of Monsignor Ricca and the news about his private life. I would like to know, Your Holiness, what you intend to do about this? How are you confronting this issue and how does Your Holiness intend to confront the whole question of the gay lobby?

      Pope Francis

      About Monsignor Ricca: I did what canon law calls for, that is a preliminary investigation. And from this investigation, there was nothing of what had been alleged. We did not find anything of that. This is the response. But I wish to add something else: I see that many times in the Church, over and above this case, but including this case, people search for “sins from youth”, for example, and then publish them. They are not crimes, right? Crimes are something different: the abuse of minors is a crime. No, sins. But if a person, whether it be a lay person, a priest or a religious sister, commits a sin and then converts, the Lord forgives, and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives. When we confess our sins and we truly say, “I have sinned in this”, the Lord forgets, and so we have no right not to forget, because otherwise we would run the risk of the Lord not forgetting our sins. That is a danger. This is important: a theology of sin. Many times I think of Saint Peter. He committed one of the worst sins, that is he denied Christ, and even with this sin they made him Pope. We have to think a great deal about that. But, returning to your question more concretely. In this case, I conducted the preliminary investigation and we didn’t find anything. This is the first question. Then, you spoke about the gay lobby. So much is written about the gay lobby. I still haven’t found anyone with an identity card in the Vatican with “gay” on it. They say there are some there. I believe that when you are dealing with such a person, you must distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of someone forming a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. This one is not good. If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this in a beautiful way, saying … wait a moment, how does it say it … it says: “no one should marginalize these people for this, they must be integrated into society”. The problem is not having this tendency, no, we must be brothers and sisters to one another, and there is this one and there is that one. The problem is in making a lobby of this tendency: a lobby of misers, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of masons, so many lobbies. For me, this is the greater problem. Thank you so much for asking this question. Many thanks.

      http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/speeches/2013/july/documents/papa-francesco_20130728_gmg-conferenza-stampa_en.html

      Here is the link to the whole Rio visit.

      http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/travels/2013/papa-francesco-gmg-rio-de-janeiro-2013_en.htm

  • Joseph Matthew

    This Pope is noted for his humility. Perhaps he could say:”I am really sorry for having unwittingly misled so many people by giving interviews I was ill prepared to give”?

  • Wake up England

    Be sure to see the awful, awful video of a sacrilegious Mass in Germany on the website of Father Zuseldorff “What Does the Prayer Really Say”

    It’s the worst sacrilege I’ve ever seen and goes to underline why the work of this Blog is so very important.

    Please take five minutes to look at it.

  • SteveD

    What a surprise! People are desperately looking for excuses to do what they know/suspect is the wrong thing and it has been supplied to them.

  • Lynda

    It’s been urgent that the Pope speak clearly and forcefully on these critical issues from the beginning.

  • tro

    ‘”who am I to judge … ?” Francis said’

    In making that faux humble statement the Bishop of Rome has – in order to court cheap popularity, in my view – greenlighted moral anarchy.

    Moreover, his statement implies negative moral judgement on those who judge sexual conduct on the basis of traditional Catholic ethics.

    It was a cheap shot which is now being used by the enemies of the Church as a stick with which to beat orthodox Catholics.

    Yet here’s the thing: by his his lights, who is he to judge people who say homosexual sexual activity is wrong?

    Who is he to offer moral correction to anyone regarding any kind of behaviour?

  • Chrysostom

    I am afraid that the Holy Father’s love of talking to the press (even on board an aeroplane) is making all this possible. Can you imagine the saintly Pope Pius XII chatting with the newspapers, let alone St Pope Pius X?

    The news item that you reveal, (for which much thanks) shows great confusion and it reveals that scandal has been caused. The Holy Father must make an authoritative written statement on the great evil of sodomy. In some ways, his trying to say nice things to sinners such as sodomites resembles St Peter’s obeying Jewish dietary laws to please the Jews. Readers of the New Testament will know that for this St Paul tells us that he “rebuked Peter to his face”.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    “Strange that when these Catholic politicians were agonising over this moral decision they didn’t bother to read the Catechism”

    I think one of the problems is that not many people own the very bulky and quite expensive catechism. There is the compendium but how much more useful, accessible and cheap was the old penny catechism.

  • BJC

    Cherry picking quotes and distortion is routine for politicians, but you have to say Pope Francis handed that one to them on a plate. Let’s hope he learns his lesson. Everything he says from now on will go under the microscope, and he can’t afford to be the affable parish priest anymore. It won’t wash. The media are his enemies, and none of them will give him the benefit of the doubt and give full quotes and context. All they care about is headlines.

    I wonder if the self-same “Catholic” politicians will be quoting his words on abortion when that comes up for a vote. I doubt it. I think we’ll find they conveniently forget words like this.

    “Every child that isn’t born, but is unjustly condemned to be aborted, has the face of Jesus Christ, has the face of the Lord.”

    For politicians the 8th commandment has never meant much.

  • (X)MCCLXIII

    I agree with Rorate Caeli on this matter: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/11/words-have-consequences.html

    Words have consequences indeed, and the Holy Father’s words have been a cause of grave scandal on several occasions in the short time since his pontificate began.

  • John

    I assure you that these progressive (modernist) politicians claiming to refer to the holy father is only cover to allow their votes toward Sodom. The response in this article is excellent, although most Sundays nobody will hear church teaching on this or abortion or any other sins, let alone hell, heaven, judgement or death.
    The problem began, regardless what neo-catholic apologists (ie Catholic answers) and dissenting Catholics (national Catholic reporter) think, with the vague document on religious liberty of Vatican two. The feminization of the mass, changing it into supper, instead of the sacrifice, altar girls, communion in the hand just added to kill the faith and the immediate decline in vocations is a fruit of the council. Due to the decline the Church was forced to allow homosexual priests in, and we even now need to import from countries like Africa.
    Im sorry, but the Church is in decline…

  • Nicolas Bellord

    Sandro Magister is well worth reading at:

    http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350637?eng=y

    He quotes from an interesting critique by a New York Jesuit on Pope Francis’s interview with the Jesuit which Sandro points out was really more of a conversation than an interview. We might call it a chat or in Spanish a “Charla” – undoubtedly leading to a great deal of misunderstanding and conflicting views as we are also getting from the Vatican and some members of the hierarchy over the questionnaire for the Synod on the Family.

    Nam cor et corpus habeo multis
    criminibus maculatum,
    mentem et linguam non
    caute custodiam
    .

    St Ambrose.

  • Karla

    When Pope Francis was Cardinal in Argentina, he spoke out very strong against homosexual marriage being legalised in the country.. His comments on the plane back from WYD regarding homosexuals do not even mention homosexual marriage so what are these politicians thinking trying to defend their votes because of Pope Francis’ comments on the plane?!

  • Kevin

    Francis doesn’t care….

  • mary ellen

    Thanks Francis, good job there buddy. We’re really making a “lio” now aren’t we? eh? ah? no?

  • ProLIFEmommy

    @Nicholas Please read & watch : http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/06/a-voris-video-on-vatican-iis-built-in-ambiguities/

    “Who am I to judge?” I wonder if the Pope makes this statement to the victims of sexual abuses made by priests? We make judgements ALL THE TIME! As a matter of fact, our Lord told us HOW we are to judge: “YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.”

  • Susan

    If Catholic politicians knew their faith they wouldn’t be taking the Pope’s words out of context. Francis is in good company though; the Word of God is also used as a means to one’s end.

    This is getting old and the Pope hasn’t been pope a year.

  • Bob

    The Pope may have made some ambiguous statements, but the truth has never changed pretty much over the history of time. This does not excuse the knuckle headed politicians who are blaming the Pope for their own moral stupidity. When my kids say “but my brother/sister did it too”, I tell them (and I’m sure you’ve all heard this) “if your he/she jumped off a cliff would you do that too???”
    The point here being these politicians have no real excuse for what they did; so hey let’s blame it on the Pope!!

  • Susan

    Great example PROLIFEmommy of taking the Word of God out of context. How about this one: “Judge not, lest you be judged” (Matthew 7:1) The Pope simply wants us to love unconditionally and leave the judging to our Lord. Anyway, there is a difference between judging and discerning.

    Speaking of fruit….Francis came from the largest diocese in the world. Trust the Holy Spirit for there is a reason Bergoglio was chosen to be the Vicar of Christ.

    • tro

      @Susan

      Why are you judging ProLIFEmommy?

      Incidentally, Bergoglio wasn’t chosen by the Holy Spirit: he was elected by cardinals.

      I wonder if any of those cardinals who voted for Bergoglio regret their choice now.

      • Susan

        This is like saying the Holy Spirit wasn’t the author of the bible. Invoking the Holy Spirit’s guidance is a given don’t you think?

        And…my apologies prolifemommy; I’m a defender of life too (as well as the Pope). See you on the front lines :)

  • ProLIFEmommy

    @Susan “Judge not, lest you be judged,” is referring to us not judging a person to heaven or hell. Nice try, though.

  • maria

    The devil even quotes Scripture, so it’s easy for him to take some words spoken by the Pope out of context and “show” them to CINO politicians who then use them as the justification for committing the sin of redefining marriage to include the sin of sodomy.

  • Susan

    PROLIFEmommy I’ve been zinged……..I guess. But I think I said this when mentioning there is a difference between judging and discerning.

    Discerning is for God’s people as long as it is motivated by love.

    Judging, well this is the Lord’s job.

  • Sam Wood

    Well, maybe the Pope should walk around like a deaf-mute and smile a lot. Then the rad Trads will not be able to parse anything he says as if he were a walking encyclical since he won’t be talking ex cathedra, and the disobedient “dissidents” will not be able to have him champion any of their skewed and pagan causes. He should just go around, kiss babies and preside ONLY in Masses with the extraordinary form. Gee whiz, I think we all need to go outside and play…get some fresh air and exercise.

  • It is not the fault of the Pope if his words are taken out of context, manipulated by a secular media, the manipulation adopted by those still inhaling the “spirit” of Vatican II, and ultimately used by nominal Catholic politicians to get off the hook when it comes to homosexual psuedo-marriage. The politicians would prefer, as NJ Governor Chris Christie will tell you, to have the court system get them off the hook, but election dates are outside their control (thus far)and courts usually move slowly (except in NJ). Will Catholics be just as critical of the Pope when his words are manipulated to justify and end to the US border with Mexico?

  • Andrew Smith

    If Nancy Pelosi can use Thomas Aquinas to justify her stance on late-term abortion, then…..

  • SteveD

    What do we, the Church and the world need? CLARITY
    When do we want it? NOW

  • Amanda Peter

    The evil secular media are intent on misrepresenting pope Francis words and telling us how to interpret them. Listen carefully to the context of the question on gays. The question was asked about Msgr Ricca whom he had appointed to over see the Vatican bank. Suddenly a scandal blew over him as being part of the gay lobby . Holy father acted according to canon law and found the man innocent. He did not deny that possibly there may have been some homosexual sins in his past but in the present holy father found him to be an upstanding priest. He said if a person is of good will … Note good will note bad will … ” if some one is gay and searching for The Lord “…..implies a heart converted. Not a heart obstinate in his sin… ” then who am I to judge” Holy Father gave a wonderful teaching on confession and the mercy of God and the media so twisted what he said.

  • David Heath

    Transference of responsibility for one’s erroneous decisions;blaming someone else for one’s weakness of character;salving one’s conscience by promoting the “Mikey made me do it!” syndrome;fear of promoting one’s Catholic Faith in public;fear of losing one’s social standing in politics by defending one’s Catholic Faith;fear of being called extremist by one’s peers;fear of losing one’s political job by defending one’s Catholic Faith. Somewhere in the DSM-5 manual there is probably a medical term for this sort of mental behavior. I call it simply what its genus makes it – cowardly. Those people are to be pitied, not applauded.

    • Sonja

      Those cowardly politicians were always going to vote that way — they are just using Francis to exonerate their public conscience — but in reality in vain. Their maker they will meet with this on their conscience.

  • Bil Sr.

    Which, much to our chagrin but is now blatantly obvious, is exactly how the AHA plan was design to operate in order to make it “affordable” for those without current coverage.

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