Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo says Pope Francis will rule on Medjugorje this year

Cardinal Vinko Puljic, Archbishop of Vrhbosna and a leading member of the International Commission on Medjugorje, has told a news outlet that Pope Francis will rule on Medjugorje this year.

Catholic Fire reports:

‘Pope Francis’ ruling on Medjugorje can be expected this year, says Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo, a member of the investigative Commission. The Commission has not shared its opinion on whether to give Medjugorje shrine status or not, and people are still free to visit.

Granting Medjugorje shrine status or not is a part of the recommendations that the Vatican Commmission on Medjugorje handed over to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) on January 17, Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo tells the Croatian news portal Dnevnik.

Cardinal Puljic, a member of the international investigative Commission since it was formed in 2010, further tells that a verdict from Pope Francis on the case of Medjugorje can be expected later this year.

“The Commission has submitted the results of our work to CDF, what we worked on for four years as an international Commission. These results the Congregation will consider and make a proposal to the Pope, and then the Pope will decide how to handle it. This year we can expect the final word from the Holy Father” says Cardinal Vinko Puljic.

The Cardinal further informs that pilgrims are still free to visit Medjugorje. This upholds what has been status quo since the bishops of then-Yugoslavia decided so in April 1991.

“The Commission is not opposed to Medjugorje as a place of faith where faithful pilgrims gather” Cardinal Puljic confirms.

Protect the Pope comment: The sooner Pope Francis pronounces on the authenticity of the Marian apparitions at Medjugorje the better for the Church, because as Cardinal Vinko Puljic put it in 2004 the reported apparitions of Medjugorje have become a source of division in the Church.

http://catholicfire.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/cardinal-expect-popes-ruling-on.html

32 comments to Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo says Pope Francis will rule on Medjugorje this year

  • Benedict Carter

    If Pope Francis in any way fudges this scandalous sham on the basis of “the seers are full of lurve” or similar, I will know that the Church has officially turned against the Mother of God.

    • Michael Petek

      All the Holy Father has to has to do is confirm that the visionaries are not lying – however, since the affair is ongoing it is impossible to affirm “constat de supernaturalitate”.

    • Lynda

      The authenticity of the one, holy, apostolic Church is not dependent on the Pope being a moral person or always speaking the truth. It is the ex Cathedra pronouncements on Faith and morals that matter.

  • iggy o'donovan

    On a different point Nick I understand the irish Embassy to the Vatican is reopening.

  • iggy o'donovan

    Deacon Nick, just as I thought. A statement from the Foreign Ministry says the Irish government “wishes to engage directly with the leadership of Pope Francis”. can you imagine them saying that about pope Benedict?
    I wouldnt be surprised if they have Pope Francis face on their posters for the coming European elections. (I jest)

    • Deacon Nick Donnelly

      Dear Fr Iggy, I think Enda Kenny was most unjust and unkind in his infamous address in the Dail, including quoting the Holy Father out of context to put him in an even worse light. It was politics of the worst kind. I can imagine Enda Kenny seeking a photo opportunity with Pope Francis with a view to upcoming elections. Deacon Nick.

      • Michael Petek

        Enda Kenny is unjust and unkind the rest of the time, too.

      • Augustine

        Re Enda Kenny.

        It is astonishing that politicians, police and Government Inspectors in the Republic of Ireland were never, apparently, held to account for their failure to prevent the child abuse that occurred on their watch at schools, orphanages and hospitals run by religious orders in the past.

        Remember the State used the Church as a cheap way of providing schools and hospitals rather than having the State to provide them out of its own budget – but it should have at least provided supervision and inspection.

        Enda Kelly’s antics sound to me as if he was trying to use the Church as a scapegoat for the criminal deficiencies of the Irish State in failing to provide proper inspection, professional training and supervision of the people running these institutions.

        But I wonder if his truculence was merely a middle aged man’s adolescent rage at the Church’s role in promoting objective moral standards – or whether it was a Machiavellian calculation to frighten the leaders of the Church in Ireland into silence.

  • Sparxz

    “Pope Francis pronounces on the authenticity of the Marian apparitions at Medjugorje the better for the Church”.
    For people who love Medjugorje this is good news. For people who are unhappy with Modernism and the warping it has done to Catholicism,
    then this is further bad news. I am fairly confident that Francis, will break Church procedural law in purist of popularism/fashion,
    and ‘claim’ that the cult of Medjugorje is authentic.
    The Church has never approved of apparitions until they cease, in case satan has contrived it, wait for the church to approve, and then
    contradicts the church under the guise of an apparition or seer.
    None of these important issues matters to a modernist. They are in a hurry to satisfy a fraud made in their own image.
    I can say Truthfuly, as someone who once went to Medjugorje with an open mind, it is a cesspit of false faith, and Pro-abortionist,
    looking to relieve themselves of the suffering that suffering that has permitted for them to bring about their
    salvation. I do not not know of one single conversion from Medjugorje, but many fake ones based on feelings not faith.
    One of satan’s most clever tricks is the removal of oppression/suffering that he has jurisdiction over(ie a curse),
    to give the false impression of healing, and keep them away from the Truth of Christ, and keep them under the illusion of occult ‘healing’.

    One good thing about this, as is says in Holy Scripture. ‘All things work to greater Glory of God, for all those who Love him’ (and his truth),
    that those who have identified, the unprecedented misdirection and disorientation, will be more confident in their criticisms, of senior clergy
    who are going further off the rails, and will confront and rebuke them them more directly.
    Heaven is not for everybody, as there are those who have set their hearts firmly on foolishness and perdition.

  • Shaun the Sheep

    What a greasy little snake.

  • Shaun the Sheep

    Enda Kenny that is. The snake.

  • Back to the topic. From the beginning, I never believed in Medjugoje and still do not. I have seen it as false and taking attention away from the messages of Fatima on repentence and hell. Some of the daily messages have contradicted Church teaching, and the seers running around Europe and America and taking apparitions of Mary with them are events just plain creepy.

    I hope the decision is that no supernatural phenomenon is present. As to fruits, I have know clergy and laity go there and still support ssm, the gay lifestyle and women priests, even after going several times.

    Go figure…

  • Augustine

    On a lighter note.

    I remember many years ago hearing someone say that he was no longer interested in following the Ten Commandments and wasn’t bothered whether or not he went to heaven.

    Good grief I said – you cannot be serious.

    Yes I am – he replied. I really don’t think that heaven can be all it is cracked out to be. For the last 30 years it seems that Our Lady now prefers Medjugorje to heaven. :-)

    …or as it is sometimes called Majorfraudje ;-)

  • Augustine, thanks for the story. I am in a minority who do not believe in it. Even at the TLM here, some people do. Very odd that they cannot see the fraud.

    • Augutine

      Every year thousands of people claim to have had visions of Our Lord or Our Blessed Lady. They are investigated by the local Bishop. Successive Bishops have come to a negative judgement with regard to Mejugorje. The Medjugorje group refuse to accept the decision or the authority of the Bishop.

      Pope Francis is on record assaying that some disciplinary matters should be dealt with by the local Bishop rather than by the CDF. I suspect that investigating alleged apparitions was one of the things he had in mind.

      I would not be surprised if both Pope Benedict and Archbishop Muller had told Pope Francis that the CDF has more important matters to deal with than reading thousands upon thousands of mindlessly repetitive daily messages from the alleged seers in Medjugorje.

      And it does not appear that either Archbishop Muller or the CDF were very impressed with the Medjugorje phenomenon because of the letter he wrote to the Nuncio in the USA:

      “his Excellency wishes to inform the Bishops that one of the so-called visionaries of Medjogurje, Mr. Ivan Dragicevic, is scheduled to appear at certain parishes around the country, during which time he will make presentations regarding the phenomenon of Medjorgurje. It is anticipated, moreover, that Mr. Dragicevic will be receiving ‘apparitions’ during these scheduled appearances.”

      As a result, Mr Dragicevic’s appearances were cancelled.

      http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=10376

      NOW

      1. Compare and contrast the material benefits accumulated by the alleged seers in Medjugorje (megabucks)with St Bernadette (none) and the children of Fatima (none).

      2. Compare and contrast the miracles of Lourdes (lots) with those of Medjugorje (none).

      3. Compare and contrast the religious obedience of St Bernadette and the children of Fatima with that of the alleged seers of Medjugorje.

      4. Finally compare and contrast both the number of the alleged apparitions at Mejugorje (30,000 or so) with Lourdes (a handful) and Fatima (a handful).

      You get vast crowds in Lourdes or Fatima 150 and 100 years after the events – but the crowds who flock to Medjugorje do so because of the claim that Our Lady is actually appearing there now.

      So a sceptic might be tempted to think that they have been producing these alleged apparitions in order to keep the show on the road – and to keep the cash rolling in to their once poverty-stricken village.

      A sceptic might think that – but I could not possibly comment.

  • Augutine, could not agree with you more. And, I have problems with a seer visiting a priest in tight blue jeans-if someone saw and talked with Mary, Our Mother, that person would see how holy the role of the priest is…..

    • Augustine

      The background to Mejugorje is the fact that the local Franciscans in charge of the parish have been at odds with the local Bishop – long before the alleged apparitions began.

      The “seers” were young teens when it started: they were encouraged by the local Franciscans.

      Donal Foley in his book ” Understanding Medjugorje: Heavenly Visions or Religious Illusion” reveals scandalous behaviour by some of the Franciscans: Fr Slavko Barbaric, who died in 2000 had his faculties for hearing confession withdrawn before his death; Fr Zovko, who was refused permission to celebrate Mass in Washington in 2002, had had his faculties also revoked; worst of all, Fr Tomislav Vlasic, was laicised and dismissed from the Franciscan order in July 2009, for various misdemeanours including some against the Sixth Commandment.

      See
      http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/02/11/medjugorje-is-generating-what-the-devil-loves-most-disobedience/

      Apparently some of the seers have left the area and are living overseas.

      None of them have broken rank. That does not surprise me.

      Medjugorje is in a very violent part of the world. Most of us remember the violence in Bosnia in the 1990′s following the break-up of Jugoslavia.

      Far worse happened during World War II.

      There were apparently nearly 2,000 Serbs massacred or buried alive close to Medjugorje on 4 August 1941. Medjugorje is located in the immediate vicinity of the Golubinka pit, the most notorious site of mass execution of Serbs. The Communist government of Yugoslavia had the pit containing the bodies sealed with a concrete sla: they were only exhumed and reburied at the cemetery of Prebilovci in the neighboring town of Čapljina in 1989.

      Now if you grew up in an area like that, I do not think that you would want to tell your friends and relations who have recently built hotels in Medjugorje that it was all a childish prank that got out of control.

      Omerta?

  • Augustine, I have read all the reports you have. To have faculties removed is serious. To be laicized is serious. How can people ignore this? I have had Medj. followers actually deny these facts, or say the mantra that liberal bishops are persecuting the Franciscans. Deceit and more deceit.

  • Bosco

    I have just read the article (below) “Cardinal to preside at Honduras ‘Medjugorje’ site” and wonder if Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez is attempting somehow to pre-empt the CDF’s Cardinal-elect Gerhard Müller’s judgement on Medjugorje.

    http://crownofstars.blogspot.mx/2014/01/cardinal-to-preside-at-honduras_23.html

  • Bosco, do not look into these things. My take is that this Pope is not pro-Medj.

    • Michael B Rooke

      @ Marie Dean
      I agree

      From the Medjugorje web site is the statement that God wills evil.

      Interview with Mirjana Dragicevic, By Fr. Tomislav Vlasic

      Medjugorje, January 10, 1983

      “the Virgin told me God and the devil conversed, and the devil said that people believe in God only when life is good for them. When things turn bad, they cease to believe in God. Then people blame God, or act as if he does not exist. God, therefore, allowed the devil one century in which to exercise an extended power over the world, and the devil chose the twentieth century”

      • Sparxz

        Hi Michael
        God cannot perform “Evil”, if he did, he would cease to be God !
        God has two types of will: Ordaining will, and permitting will.
        If man does evil with his Free Will, God lifts his protection over him, and lets satan have jurisdiction over him.
        Also can you cite ‘one example’ of God incarnate Jesus Christ very much ‘in person’
        doing any evil, from his Manger to the Cross, and from the Cross to his ascension ?
        One of the aims of satan is to swap places with God in the perception of Man’s mind, long enough
        to turn misunderstanding into recruiting Man to hating God all the way to final and permanent perdition

  • Michael, that is a misquotation from the famous over-heard conversation Pope Leo XIII witnessed between God and satan, which made the Pope write the St. Michael’s prayer. There is permissive will and intended will of God-not to be confused. Mary would not have repeated something already known.

    • Michael B Rooke

      @ Marie Dean
      Thank you for your reply.
      I would see it as follows:

      God loves us infinitely.

      Pope Blessed John Paul II
      “God has loved you with an infinite and tender love, and you must repay love with love.”
      http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/homilies/1986/documents/hf_jp-ii_hom_19860707_reduit-park_en.html

      Pope BenedictXVI
      “Consequently, the more we imitate Jesus and remain united to him the more we enter into the mystery of his divine holiness. We discover that he loves us infinitely, and this prompts us in turn to love our brethren.”
      http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20061101_all-saints_en.html

      The notion that God would withhold His infinite love to give free reign to the devil is contrary to the nature of God.

      I see would see it as trying to use God’s permissive will as a justification for changing the nature of God’s positive or intended will which is impossible but it represents and attempt to corrupt our theological thinking.

      The statement in the attributed vision to Pope Leo XIII cannot have been from God but was satan’s propaganda. Cf 2 Cor 11:14. Pope Leo XIII’s response rejected the devil in proposing the prayer to St Michael*.

      Rather than see the statement as a misquote at Medjugorje I would not exclude the possibility of the devil having a second attempt to make his version stick.

      Footnote from Radio Replies (Excerpts)
      Q If God is loving, just, and all-powerful, why does He permit moral evil, or sin?

      “…..Even God, if He wants men to be free, cannot take from them the power to choose evil. If He enforces goodness, He takes away freedom. If He leaves freedom, He must permit evil, even though He forbids it. It is man’s dignity that he is master of his own destiny instead of having to develop just like a tree which necessarily obeys natural law. Men, as a matter of fact, misused their freedom, and sin and brutality resulted. But it was impossible to give man the gift of freedom and the dignity of being master of his own destiny without risking the permission of such failures.”
      http://www.newadvent.org/library/almanac_rumble.htm

      * Holy Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do yoO Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls.

  • john konnor

    ..they should condemn the messages as not worthy of belief..& to take back the night so to speak from the spiritual depredation occuring here… grant medjugorje shrine status under the cultus of Our Lady of Perpetual Utterance… :-)

  • Kaleb Patrick Lippert

    I believe in it, all I can say, even Lourdes, Fatima, La Salette was treated bad at first until… they were approved….

  • There was no error spoken at Fatima or Lourdes. But, there has been error spoken at Medjugorje. Lists abound.

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