The liturgy of the Church has gone to pot over the last 50 years becoming a barrier to raising the heart and mind to God

Jacobi posts on the post-conciliar liturgy from the point of view of a ‘a bog-standard Catholic in the pews who has watched the liturgy of the Church go to pot over the last 50 years, so that it’s now a barrier to the raising of the heart and mind to God. ‘

‘Sacrosanctum Concilium and the Novus Ordo

Sacrosanctum Concilium is not doctrinal in nature. It authorises (as a sub-form?) limited reforms to the Tridentine Mass, the Mass of St Gregory the Great. There are other Rites in the Church, but these were not specifically dealt with.

Neither the Tridentine, nor any other Rite is abolished by this document. The Church, ensures,

“that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way”.

This means that the Tridentine form continues today as normative in the Western Church, as per Quo Primum and Summorum Pontificum.

Sacrosanctum Concilium is lengthy and imprecise in nature. There is strong evidence, of compromise. Changes are indicative and imprecise. Ambiguity, vagueness, insertion, contradiction and selective archaeologism are all present. One rather curious exception is the re-instatement of the “Prayer of the Faithful”, phased out some fifteen centuries ago. This changes completely the 5th century practise, which was conducted only by the priest, and required the non-baptised, or those under instruction to leave the Mass!

The document states, nevertheless that,

1. The Mass will be in Latin with limited use of the vernacular i.e., readings, presumably Gospel and Epistles and some prayers and chants

2. Plain Chant and the use of the organ continue

3. Lay functionaries will be the Lectors, servers and choir. No others are mentioned

4. Lay participation is encouraged and clearly defined. It involves laity taking part with acclamations, responses, psalmody, songs, gestures and bodily attitude and generally with attention to what is going on, or as the document puts it, “conscious of what they are doing, with devotion and full collaboration”.
There is no suggestion of any other physical activity or lay function.

5. There will be wider use of scriptural material.

6. The Prayer of the Faithful, which was a period of silent prayer under the direction of a priest, and which was phased out in the fifth century, is re-introduced, but in a new form.

What is not authorised or even mentioned is,

1. The Mass said with the priest facing the congregation
2. Prayer of the Faithful as it is now practised in the Novus Ordo.
3. Routine Communion under both kinds
4. Reception of Communion by hand
5. Handling of the sacred vessels by laity i.e., the chalice and the paten
6. The use of lay distributers of Holy Communion
7. The lay sign of peace, (hand shake)
8. Lay readers and bidders, as opposed to Lectors

These were all introduced later, often unofficially

The end result of this is that the Novus Ordo is a valid Catholic Mass, but is deficient because, it carries an implicit downplaying of the Real Presence, the Ordained Priesthood, and the idea of the Mass as a Sacrifice

The immediate corrections needed to bring the Novus Ordo back into line with Sacrosanctum Concilium are,

1. Substantial re-use of Latin
2. Return to Ad Orientem
3. Reception of Communion, kneeling and by mouth, of the Host only
4. Readings by a priest, deacon or Lector
5. Lay distributers to be used only in exceptional l circumstances, and then only acolytes

In terms of church layout the re-introduction of altar rails to re-establish the sanctuary, and of the central tabernacle, to make our churches once again the House of God, are critical.

Thank you Jacobi

31 comments to The liturgy of the Church has gone to pot over the last 50 years becoming a barrier to raising the heart and mind to God

  • Rifleman819

    Deacon Nick ,
    You have it wrong. Tuneless guitars, crap and banal hymns by “Willard” from a Mayhew vintage book,polyester vestments, church interiors increasingly like Scandinavian furniture catalogues, Cranmerian undertones to anodyne liturgy…196os horrid concrete architecture, now with the “de rigeur” ferrite reinforcing breaking through the cracks.

    And 1965 imposed as the the Year Zero.

    No ..No No…….Everything is wonderful…….except the pews are empty.

  • Berengere

    And i guess you want to empty the churches?? (already quite empty…)
    Nostalgics of pre-Councile Vatican II make me laugh.. If the appearances are so important for you, clearly there’s one very basic and important message from the Gospels you didn’t understand… Chill out, love and pray, respect and penitence, adoration and forgiveness… To love in English, French, Latin, Greek or Hebrew doesn’t matter as long as it’s from the heart!
    God bless!

    • Nicolas Bellord


      Respect? Well what about the hubbub both before and after Mass as if it was a coffee shop? The Blessed Sacrament shunted off somewhere else; in the case of my local church almost hidden behind a stack of chairs on one occasion. The casual reception of communion? At Westminster Cathedral during the service for the Day with Mary one of the local staff crossed over the sanctuary clutching some laundry without genuflecting or bowing. One could go on with numerous examples.

      Penitence? Receiving the sacrament of confession. If I go to my local church for the one occasion in the week that confessions are heard there are usually three or four others at the most.

      Adoration? Well I think this may be on the increase from a very low base.

      Forgiveness? You have to go to confession for that.

      Love? yes but you also have to obey the commandments which means accepting the teaching of the Church which includes correct adherence to the liturgy.

      • Paul Waddington

        Blessed Sacrament shunted off somewhere”. Yes, in my parish, they found a spot in the former boiler room! Happily, it has now been restored to the sanctuary, but alas without the wonderful Hansom-designed reredos in which the tabernacle was formerly mounted. This landed up on a tip!

    • BJC


      “Nostalgics of pre-Councile Vatican II make me laugh..’

      Not sure where your call to “chill out”, “love and and pray” and have “respect” are. Seems as if you are het-up about something and you have a lack of respect for other people’s point of view. Perhaps before you post again it might be a good idea to relax and chill out yourself, otherwise you are liable to make yourself look a hypocrite.

  • solly gratia

    As a convert I find myself between a rock and a hard place. I never expected to encounter so much grumbling from the traditionalist side, to the extent that I stopped reading a lot of blogs and websites because they just made me feel like a second-class catholic.
    I finally decided to become a catholic in part from reading the Vatican 2 documents on the liturgy and the Revised Mass. It had what I considered missing from the Protestant side with regard to the Eucharist and a liturgy – and I’d read widely in Protestant theology trying to find what seemed to be missing. I understand V2′s approach, and don’t have a problem with the Revised Mass. Nor do I encounter the issues Rifleman raises, other than the Mayhew song book – so i just don’t sing the hymns. V2 presents a rounded theology of the body of Christ in its worship and approach toward God, not an isolated clerical activity that doesn’t even need a congregation watching from the sidelines. V2 recognises that the priest is part of the body even while he is set apart from it; it recognises the ministry of the laity in supporting the priest, for we are all one body offering to Christ.

    Our pews are not empty, and we are a small edge of town parish in the Midlands with two Sunday morning masses of 150 people each time. We grew 4-5% for the last two years. We sing the Gloria and Sanctus in Latin and we have no innovations at all. Any other items the priests wishes to happen, such as a talk from a visiting missionary, take part before the final blessing, not during the Mass. He doesn’t play guitar, and the worship group at the 9 0′clock Mass a pretty good, although not to my taste – I suffered from worship groups for long enough as a Protestant. The Cathedral is also well ordered and dignified, but with a choir and acolytes, whereas we only have a priest.

    I sometimes wonder about the old Latin Rite, but I just have to spend half an hour reading some Latin bloggers to remind myself why I don’t go looking for a church holding one, as their bitterness and lack of fraternal charity is evidence enough that having the ‘correct’ Mass isn’t enough.

    The failures I see and worry about are the same failures that affect churches of all persuasions and which i set my shoulder against when I was a Baptist minister: the encroaches of liberal culture into the lives and morals of the people, a move away from didactic teaching just when the media age kicked in, and the disintegration of a Christian worldview into compartmentalized thought in which what people hear on Sunday does not affect what happens to them from Monday to Saturday. Much though the Mass is the central focus of the Church, going on about languages, ad orientams, and lace are the spiritual equivalent of moving the deck chairs on the Titanic when the people do not encounter sound catechesis after their 11th birthday (or whatever age it is they are confirmed). The people at your ‘proper’ mass can be living in venial and perhaps mortal sin just as easily as those who attend the Revised Mass, as was observed by many travellers on trips to the continent in the 19th century and related by Blessed John Henry Newman in answer to Protestant objections in his Apologia etc.

    • Nicolas Bellord

      Solly Gratia: You write: “We sing the Gloria and Sanctus in Latin and we have no innovations at all. Any other items the priests wishes to happen, such as a talk from a visiting missionary, take part before the final blessing, not during the Mass. He doesn’t play guitar”

      Lucky you! Not many of us get that.

      I see the enthusiasm for the Latin Mass as being a reaction against the dreadful abuses that have come with the Novus Ordo. I would hope for a much improved Novus Ordo in the long run. I do however favour “ad orientem” as it symbolises the Priest leading us towards God rather than just staring at us all the time.

    • Paul Waddington


      Perhaps you are not fortunate enough to have experienced the Mass as it was in every Catholic church, prior to 1965. It was a wonderful thing that inspired the Frederic Faber, a convert, to describe it as “the most beautiful thing this side of Heaven”.

      I wo0uld advise you to give the usus antiquior a try. It does seem that you appreciate some of its features – Gloria in Latin and absence of Meyhew hymns.

  • Rifleman819

    Beer genre,
    The tablet spell thing altered your name- a real a Deus ex machina.
    I love the arrogance in the use of the word “appearance”.
    You are clueless about lex orandi, lex credendi- that is very obvious, as is your Pol Pot adherence to Year Zero 1965 .

    And why are the pews empty anyway……..we were all bluffed into being relevant in the 1960s.

    Well there is the evidence…row upon row of empty pews.

    Your solution obviously works…………

  • Rifleman819

    For All ,

    We bang on about relevance.Before Xmas I visited St.Petersburg.Managed to visit two Orthodox Churches at different times for Divine Liturgy.

    Stuff “relevance”…………Orthodox liturgy has not changed for a 1000 years….the churches were full to overflowing.

    Despite 80 years of Marxism -the score was the Almighty and Eternal God 1-Lenin 0…as it always would be.

    Wander out to the snow-flaked streets — see the faded and decaying heraldry of the former Soviet Union on a few government buildings-but not many.
    There is a lesson there for us.

    • Augustine

      Perhaps the Marxists did Christianity a favour in the USSR. (Naturally I do not mean to excuse the mass murders and other atrocities that took place under Lenin, Stain etc.)

      The Marxists tried to impose an atheistic state – but they were so incompetent and so hated by the masses (who they claimed to be helping!) that they were a very good advert for Christianity.

      Most citizens of the USSR must have thought: “These vile Marxists hate Christianity. But the enemy of my enemy must be my friend.”

      • Rifleman819

        Quite possibly….but what struck me very forcibly indeed was how deep to the core of the Russian soul it is to be Orthodox .
        And 80 years of Marxist -Leninism never really stood a chance.When I was there there was much bewilderment at the Western reaction to the Pussy Riot offenders.To the Orthodox mind these self-centred harpies had done something so totally outrageous it was difficult to contemplate .
        What was a prank perhaps to Hampstead Guardian readers was a grave blasphemy in Russia.
        And the anti- gay “thing” as well….frankly a country some 90 times bigger than the UK could not give a flying Fxxxx about what the Western media thinks.
        And Vladimir Putin in many ways articulates a great pride in being Russian.
        Forget Communism…dead and buried….but a sleeping giant, a nationalistic Russia slowly awakes.
        But it is also a country which will not hesitate to robustly defend its political , cultural and religious patrimony.
        Things of nationhood the PC emasculated West has forgotten.

        • Augustine

          I am sure that people are attracted to the beauty of the music in the Russian Orthodox Church.

          • Rifleman819

            Augustine ,
            Absolutely 1245% correct.”the trivial round , the common task”-probably most peoples’ lives, to be honest.

            But to have a glance at the sublime , the eternal , the sheer beauty of Holiness….your clip, the numinous, the ethereal, the other-worldliness……is commonplace in Orthodox liturgy.

            It moves , it reaches to the senses and to the soul.The hairs on the back of the neck respond.

            We have “Shine Jesus, shine” and hymnbooks by Kevin Mayhew.
            Very grateful for this clip-Wonderful.

  • Paul Commins

    Holy Mass is meant to be pleasing to God,not to our tastes.I have only recently begun attending the TLM(8 Weeks).The parts missing from the Novus Ordo(Asperges,Praying Before The Altar,Ad Orientem,etc)should not have been removed.The changes could only be attributed to Worldliness,since I cannot see how they are pleasing to God.Of course,a restoration of The Sanctuary,defined by Altar Rails and Gates,and Communion on The Tongue,no EMHC’s or Altar girls.
    In my NO Parish,the Pews are full,but that does not convince me of anything but an acceptance of mediocrity.

    • Augustine

      For information: pre-Vatican II most Masses were Low Masses – no Asperges, no sung Gloria or Credo etc.

      Only parishes with three priests could have celebrated a High Mass (and this would have been only once a week).

      I am sure that Father Faber was referring to a High Mass with a good choir. But most parishes did not and do not have the wonderful resources of the Brompton Oratory – where there are nine priests.

      Most parishes have just one priest.

      I remember as an altar serverin the late 1950′s being nervous if a certain priest celebrated Mass – as he had a strong Belfast accent and would run all the Latin words together. He would get through Mass in about 20 minutes. But I believe in Ireland this may have been considered rather slow!

      Things could (and should) be more devout now – but please don’t think that everything was perfect in the past.

      During a Low Mass the people in the pews would not have heard anything.

      I agree completely with Solly Gratia, the main problem we have in the Catholic Church are the encroaches of liberal culture into the lives and morals of the people and a move away from didactic teaching in the 1960′s.

      The dumbing down of RE in Catholic schools and parishes has been paralleled in other subjects at school – but hopefully the “golden oldies” who presided over this debacle will soon shuffle off the scene.

      There is a new generation of excellent priests like Fr Marcus Holden and Fr Andrew Pinsent eager to re-evangelise with the assistance of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

      • Paul Waddington

        Yes, Augustine, I would agree that most Masses were Low Masses in pre Vatican II days. However, I think that you have forgotten the difference between a Massa Cantata and a Missa Solemnis. I agree that most parishes would rarely have a Missa Solemnis which requires a priest, deacon and sub-deacon. However, most parishes of any size, including some parishes with only one priest, would have had Missa Cantata as its principle Sunday Mass, and on other major feasts. This involves just one priest but is sung. The principle Sunday Mass in any parish, whether sung or not, should have included the Asperges.

        I would also agree with you that there were priests, and these tended to be the Irish priests, who would rush through the Mass at a rate that made it both unintelligible and impossible to follow in a missal. This was definitely an abuse and I do not defend it. However, it was relatively rare – maybe one priest in 20. The rubrics in those days actually call for much of the Mass to be spoken in a clear voice, and most priests obeyed the rubric.

        Yes, there were 20 minute Masses, but these were weekday Masses without sermon. A Sunday Low Mass would typically take 45 minutes and a Sung Mass 75 to 90 minutes, according to how elaborate the music was.

        • Augustine

          I do indeed remember the Sung Masses as my father sang in the choir.

          It was quite common however to have a Sung Mass, say, at 10.45am – with the next Mass starting only 75 minutes later at 12 noon. Goodness knows how they managed. But of course before the change in the rules on fasting, few people would have received Holy Communion at the 10.45am Mass.

          In our parish on a Sunday I would serve the early Mass at 8am, go home to have breakfast and then return to serve at the Sung Mass at 10am. I was often the boat boy – but never got to use the thurible!

          The MC would check whether we (ie the thurifer and the boat boy) had already been to Mass earlier in the morning so that that we did not miss listening to the gospel (which was repeated in English before the sermon).

  • Celia

    Yes, my parish (industrial, working-class) had a sung Mass every Sunday to which my parents took us when we were old enough not to get restless.Until then we’d gone to Low Mass which as a child I found boring (though I learnt the mysteries of the Rosary from the east windows). I loved the sung Mass, even though our parish priest was tone-deaf; I suppose now I’d think the quality of the music and singing poor, but I’d nothing to measure it against at 11 or 12. And then suddenly it was post- Vatican II and ‘Michael Rowed the Boat Ashore’. I can’t say that was the reason I left the Church, but when I returned decades later I was appalled at the poverty of the OF Mass and was delighted to discover occasional EF Masses in my area.

    • Augustine

      And yet 2nd Vatican Council’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (Sacrosactum Concilium) states:

      “The Church recognises Gregorian chant as being specially suitable to the Roman liturgy. Therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical service. Other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded.” ($ 116)

      In other words Parishes and Dioceses throughout the world have done exactly the opposite of what the 2nd Vatican Council told them to do!

      In England the Catholic Truth Society brought out two booklets called “Jubilate Deo” and “New Jubilate Deo” in the mid 1970′s.

      Their subtitle was “Simple Gregorian Chants for the Faithful to learn as recommended in the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.”

      Unfortunately hardly any one seemed interested – least of all the publishers of new hymns.

      Over and over again what the 2nd Vatican Council taught has been ignored – and in many cases the “Spirit of the Vatican Council” group claims that what the Council “intended to mean” is the precise opposite of what the Documents actually state.

      Clue: the Fathers of the 2nd Vatican Council were (shock……horror) Catholics.

  • Lynda

    Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi – and thus a tiny remnant adhering to the deposit of Faith, and the moral law while all around society sinks evermore into the grip of Satan.

    • Rifleman819

      Well said -very accurate.
      Sad but honest

      • Augustine

        Let’s try to bring back Gregorian Chant.

        Purists may not rave at the “Missa de Angelis” – but I remember being taught it in Primary School and I think it is ideal for children’s voices.

        In my parish, the PP plays the Missa de Angelis on a CD player as people come in to Mass to remind them that they are coming into God’s house.

        So it would be a good project to teach it to children who have recently made their First Holy Communion.

        And as lots of schools are being encouraged to give “enrichment” classes in Latin to the high fliers – the Catholic children would have a head start by learning the Gloria, Sanctus & Agnus Dei..

  • Rifleman819

    Augustine ,

    Yes indeed.We have such a glorious musical/liturgical antecedence in the Catholic church in Britain…..but what did we do?

    From about 1965 onwards we closed the door on a liturgical Rolls-Royce and willingly sat in a guitar-powered Trabant and told ourselves this was a better People’s Car.

    As well as the “Missa de Angelis”……we have the haunting beauty of Byrd’s Masses for 3, 4, 5 voices designed to be sung by the original “flash mobs” of recusants in Catholic houses when Mass could be occasionally be said-at the peril of their lives-that is ” real” spiritual intensity.

    Semi-secular music and quintessentially English is Ralph Vaughan-Willians”Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis” 1910 , based on an original of 1567.Combine this music with a visual of English countryside in that golden triangle between Bath , Cheltenham and Oxford and it really grips the soul.

    And again to Tallis “Spem in alium” 1570…the 40 voice polyphonic stuns Guardian readers.

    We have had gold for five centuries…….but this age thinks pewter is better.

  • Nicolas Bellord

    Cardinal Arinze has promised to send a turkey to anyone who can point out to where in Vatican II the removal of altar rails is recommended. Any takers?

  • Augustine

    The original translation of the psalm used for the piece was Latin:

    Miserere mei, Deus: secundum magnam misericordiam tuam.

    Et secundum multitudinem miserationum tuarum, dele iniquitatem meam.
    Amplius lava me ab iniquitate mea: et a peccato meo munda me.
    Quoniam iniquitatem meam ego cognosco: et peccatum meum contra me est semper.
    Tibi soli peccavi, et malum coram te feci: ut justificeris in sermonibus tuis, et vincas cum judicaris.
    Ecce enim in iniquitatibus conceptus sum: et in peccatis concepit me mater mea.
    Ecce enim veritatem dilexisti: incerta et occulta sapientiae tuae manifestasti mihi.
    Asperges me hysopo, et mundabor: lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.
    Auditui meo dabis gaudium et laetitiam: et exsultabunt ossa humiliata.
    Averte faciem tuam a peccatis meis: et omnes iniquitates meas dele.
    Cor mundum crea in me, Deus: et spiritum rectum innova in visceribus meis.
    Ne proiicias me a facie tua: et spiritum sanctum tuum ne auferas a me.
    Redde mihi laetitiam salutaris tui: et spiritu principali confirma me.
    Docebo iniquos vias tuas: et impii ad te convertentur.
    Libera me de sanguinibus, Deus, Deus salutis meae: et exsultabit lingua mea justitiam tuam.
    Domine, labia mea aperies: et os meum annuntiabit laudem tuam.
    Quoniam si voluisses sacrificium, dedissem utique: holocaustis non delectaberis.
    Sacrificium Deo spiritus contribulatus: cor contritum, et humiliatum, Deus, non despicies.
    Benigne fac, Domine, in bona voluntate tua Sion: ut aedificentur muri Ierusalem.
    Tunc acceptabis sacrificium justitiae, oblationes, et holocausta: tunc imponent super altare tuum vitulos.

    English translation (Wikipedia!)

    This translation is from the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, and is used in Ivor Atkins’ English edition of the Miserere (published by Novello):

    Have mercy upon me, O God, after Thy great goodness

    According to the multitude of Thy mercies do away mine offences.
    Wash me throughly from my wickedness: and cleanse me from my sin.
    For I acknowledge my faults: and my sin is ever before me.
    Against Thee only have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that Thou mightest be justified in Thy saying, and clear when Thou art judged.
    Behold, I was shapen in wickedness: and in sin hath my mother conceived me.
    But lo, Thou requirest truth in the inward parts: and shalt make me to understand wisdom secretly.
    Thou shalt purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Thou shalt wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
    Thou shalt make me hear of joy and gladness: that the bones which Thou hast broken may rejoice.
    Turn Thy face from my sins: and put out all my misdeeds.
    Make me a clean heart, O God: and renew a right spirit within me.
    Cast me not away from Thy presence: and take not Thy Holy Spirit from me.
    O give me the comfort of Thy help again: and stablish me with Thy free Spirit.
    Then shall I teach Thy ways unto the wicked: and sinners shall be converted unto Thee.
    Deliver me from blood-guiltiness, O God, Thou that art the God of my health: and my tongue shall sing of Thy righteousness.
    Thou shalt open my lips, O Lord: and my mouth shall shew Thy praise.
    For Thou desirest no sacrifice, else would I give it Thee: but Thou delightest not in burnt-offerings.
    The sacrifice of God is a troubled spirit: a broken and contrite heart, O God, shalt Thou not despise.
    O be favourable and gracious unto Sion: build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
    Then shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifice of righteousness, with the burnt-offerings and oblations: then shall they offer young bullocks upon Thine altar.

    Psalm 50 (51)

  • Rifleman819

    Augustine geazer,
    Look……this Allegri Miserere stuff and a piece I’ve heard of …wot’sit…er er…”Veni Creator Spiritus” , innit.

    Mean..if’s it any good…our Kev Mayhew would be pushin’ it?

    Nah ..stands ter reason..our parish Folk Group “The Pentangle Harpies” ‘eard this gig an’ couldn’t make ‘ead nor tail of it neiver.

    Nah …none ov this posh stuff fer us mate, -”Shine Jesus”…jest perfick!

    • Augustine

      Kevin Mayhew on hearing Allegri’s Miserere said “Early on I made a decision that it was so poor and that I would not publish any part of it. The adverse reaction from priests and people confirms that I was right”

      (Catholic Herald – January 31 2014 page 3.)

      Nice one Kevin!

    • Augustine

      Rifleman – have you been taking elocution lessons in Estuary English from Tony Blair? :-)

  • Rifleman819

    Cor Lummie Augustine Guv,

    Rumbled an’ all , it’s a fair cop..proper banged ter rights!
    Deserve a good kickin’ darn the ‘ole apple an’ stairs…………….

    “Nay “quoth he…”fain could I dissimulate as the chameleon that thou mention …faux-Jock , faux-Socialist,faux-all ……..but yet a canny purveyor of the snake-oil.He cometh from the Plain of Fett-es, alighteth at Oxenford, resideth at Lincoln’s Inn.”
    “And yeah…since the Year of Our Lord 2007 one Anthony , Charles Linton of That Ilk hath confessed to be a Rom-an….and so it pleaseth him to putteth right the Bishop of Rome thereof.
    Thus it behoveth the Whole Company to attendeth the Holy Socialist Palace at Con-naught Square…thus to danceth at his jig.His fortune waxeth, his former soldiers lacketh legs and pensions.
    But the LORD see-eth much that humankind sees naught.The tale is not concluded yet.Watchest thou this space”
    However it will be interesting to see the kinder of Voltaire being inevitably smote by the scimitars of the Eastern Host. And the tents of Guard-ian rent in tatters.
    Bit of a laugh to gabble on in cod-Biblical….but the sorry fact is that fewer and fewer people seem to be educated enough to identify parody when they meet it.
    At my local parish -we have a small choir and folk group-one or two good musicians and lovely voices…….singing pewter instead of gold.

  • Rifleman819


    I have just been listening to the “Adoro te devote” sung by the Gregorian Schola of Milan………….on a bad day …with thistles in their throats…nothing in Mr Mayhew’s canon of Hymnody could ever match their singing.

    Why did we commit religious , cultural , doctrinal, liturgical hari-kiri in the 1960s?

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